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Re: [ba-ohs-talk] :zz: ZigZag patent and trademark [Was: **** Instant Outlining !!! ***]


Great! Thanks for the clarification.    (01)

Jack
At 02:32 AM 4/25/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Dear Jack Park:
>
>Just to clear up a couple of trademark and patent matters:
>  You say
>
> >> I know of no patent infringement issues; zigzag was published a long time
> >> ago and I know of no patents on it.
>
>The patent is:
>United States Patent  6,262,736    July 17, 2001
>   "Interactive connection, viewing, and maneuvering system for
>  complex data".
>
>You say
> >>Ted's gonna have trouble with
> >> trademarks.  Just google zigzag to see why.
>
>There are many uses of "ZigZag".  The U.S. trademark on the use of
>  the name "ZigZag" for computer software was registered to me this
>  year.
>
>The registered trademark of "ZigZag" for software has no bearing
>  on the possible use of the trademark "ZigZag" by others for
>  nightclubs, perfume, cruises, condoms, floor tiling or whatever.
>
>Cheers, Ted Nelson
>
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Jack Park <jackpark@thinkalong.com>
> >To: <ba-ohs-talk@bootstrap.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:16 AM
> >Subject: Re: [ba-ohs-talk] Node Sequencing [Was: **** Instant Outlining !!!
> >***]
> >
> >
> >> I know of no patent infringement issues; zigzag was published a long time
> >> ago and I know of no patents on it.  OTOH, the gzz folks used to call
> >> themselves GZigZag and, at the urgings of Ted, dropped all references to
> >> ZigZag for trademark reasons. Ted's gonna have trouble with
> >> trademarks.  Just google zigzag to see why.
> >>
> >> No, you shouldn't back off anything.  I'm watching some really terrific
> >> creativity at work here.  I just injected zigzag to add a bit of
> >> spice.  Frankly, zigzag is one of those technologies that captivates me in
> >> a BigWay(tm), but, also frankly, I hate playing with gzz; it may well be
> >> that I'm not able to think in enough dimensions at the same time to make
> >it
> >> worthwhile, though I confess that watching Ted run it in his demos is an
> >> awesome site to behold.
> >>
> >> Jack
> >>
> >>
> >> At 04:09 PM 4/23/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> >> >Jack Park wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>At 10:21 AM 4/23/2002 +0000, Murray Altheim wrote:
> >> >[...]
> >> >>I am watching this and it occurs to me that this discussion is roaming
> >> >>awfully close to describing Ted Nelson's ZigZag
> >http://xanadu.com/zigzag/
> >> >>  and also at http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/gzz/, an open source Java
> >> >> program based on the zigzag structure.
> >> >[...]
> >> >>http://xanadu.com/zigzag/tutorial/ZZwelcome.html is a tutorial: "A half
> >> >>an hour that might change your life!"
> >> >>You simply must read the tutorial and play with gzz; there is no way I
> >> >>can explain it other than with this visualization: imagine tiny cells of
> >> >>addressable information existing in a large container.  Then, imagine
> >> >>taking needle and thread and stitching together into a string (a
> >> >>dimension!) whatever cells you like.  Then imagine another dimension
> >> >>stitching together more cells (and some of those already captured in
> >> >>another dimension).  Do this for a while and you have a massive,
> >> >>multidimensional representation of whatever those cells are about.  Now,
> >> >>you need to pull views out of that space.  That's what the gzz interface
> >> >>does.  With visual tricks, it gives you an approximation of any 3
> >> >>dimensions you want to see at the same time.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Jack,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Are you saying that this has already been done and I should lay off
> >> >the idea in order to avoid a patent infringement lawsuit?
> >> >
> >> >Yikes!
> >> >
> >> >Murray
> >> >
> >> >PS. Thanks for the link. I'll take a look.
> >> >......................................................................
> >> >Murray Altheim                  <http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/murray/>
> >> >Knowledge Media Institute
> >> >The Open University, Milton Keynes, Bucks, MK7 6AA, UK
> >> >
> >> >      In the evening
> >> >      The rice leaves in the garden
> >> >      Rustle in the autumn wind
> >> >      That blows through my reed hut.  -- Minamoto no Tsunenobu
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>_________________________________________________
>Theodor Holm Nelson            Designer            Consultant
>Senior Fellow, the McLuhan Institute, Toronto, Canada
>Visiting Professor, University of Southampton, England
>    e-mail: ted@xanadu.net     world-wide fax 1/415/332-0136
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>_________________________________________________    (02)