From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Mon Feb 4 07:20:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id 83EB156F84; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:20:25 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from mail.cwo.com (mail2.cwo.com [209.210.78.33]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DCA56F78; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:20:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from jpark2 (port-st147.cwo.com [208.186.39.157]) by mail.cwo.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g14FYfpE014015; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:34:42 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020204072357.024cd710@thinkalong.com> X-Sender: jackpark@thinkalong.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 07:30:06 -0800 To: ba-ohs-talk@bootstrap.org From: Jack Park Subject: [ba-unrev-talk] DevelopmentSpace Cc: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org No doubt, you can tell I think the web pages listed below might be of great= =20 interest to those two whom I am shipping this post. I have lots more=20 research to do here, but what follows might be a link into the future of=20 support for the kinds of projects we entertain. Jack http://developmentspace.com/ "DevelopmentSpace is a global social capital marketplace -- a radical new=20 platform for global development where all qualified Social Entrepreneurs,=20 Service Providers, and Social Investors in the world can design, finance,=20 and implement projects together. It is a web-based marketplace that will be= =20 supplemented by physical events where participants meet face-to-face.=20 Foundations, corporations, official agencies and individuals can have their= =20 own customized Spaces to solicit, evaluate, and support projects that fit=20 their objectives. " I got that link from the following link found at slashdot.org: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/02/fallows.htm "Whittle and Kuraishi next persuaded the Bank to hold a two-day fair, with= =20 applications accepted from anyone who wanted to come and present an idea.=20 More than 1,100 groups, from eighty countries, sent proposals. The heart of= =20 the program was letting people who knew firsthand about a local need or=20 dream=97a well, a road, a small business=97explain what the money could do.= A=20 group of war widows in Bosnia, for example, offered a plan for a small,=20 high-end knitting operation. The World Bank brought more than 300 finalists= =20 to Washington; and the forty-four winners got grants averaging just over=20 $100,000 and totaling about $5 million. (The war widows won, and now they=20 are prosperous, selling their output mainly to fashion houses in Europe and= =20 the United States.) Electronic publicity explains the tenfold increase in applications. "Once=20 this idea gets into e-mail circulation, it is amazing how fast it gets=20 around the world," Whittle told me. "People who didn't have Internet access= =20 were contacted by those who did and encouraged to try. One Turkish guy was= =20 strutting around like a proud father at a Phi Beta Kappa ceremony=97five of= =20 the finalists had found out about the program from him." Whittle and Kuraishi thought that if the concept worked despite the=20 real-world impediments of getting applicants to one place at one time, it=20 would work all the better if it were also implemented electronically. In=20 2000 they resigned from the Bank, and just as the Internet economy was=20 beginning to falter, they created an online company, Development Space,=20 which began operation last month. Like eBay, it is meant to let the=20 "market"=97in this case for development aid=97clear at minimum cost and with= =20 little or no bureaucratic interference. People who want money=97for= vaccines,=20 for an orphanage, for a small factory=97can prepare online descriptions of= =20 their projects, with help from advisers, if necessary, in drawing up=20 business plans. Foundations and government aid agencies that intend to give= =20 money=97but also individuals who will give, say, $250 if they think it will= =20 help=97survey the projects and decide which to support. Various inspection= =20 and feedback systems will establish a track record, as on eBay, and follow= =20 up to see how the money was used. A number of environmental foundations have approached Development Space to= =20 explore using this platform to find projects to support. If America's past= =20 wars are any guide, huge amounts of recovery assistance will soon be headed= =20 to Afghanistan, Pakistan, and who knows where else. This model could be a=20 lower-cost, better-targeted way of getting it there." From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Sat Feb 9 11:41:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id 029B156F7C; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:41:13 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from mail.cwo.com (mail1.cwo.com [209.210.78.50]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA76E56F78 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from jpark2 ([209.63.33.73]) by mail.cwo.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g19JtVjT028175 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:55:42 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020209083838.02369d90@thinkalong.com> X-Sender: jackpark@thinkalong.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 08:39:10 -0800 To: ba-unrev-talk@BOOTSTRAP.ORG From: Jack Park Subject: [ba-unrev-talk] [Fwd: Bertalanffy-List: Global Ethics and Sustainable Development.] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org FYI... Jack >To: COMPLEXITY-L@VENUS.VCU.EDU > >Some on this list may find this of interest. Regrettably, I don't have time. > >John > > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: Bertalanffy-List: Global Ethics and Sustainable Development. >Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 00:26:10 +0100 >From: elohimjl >To: Bertalanffy Mailing List > > > >Dear colleagues, > >You are invited to participate in a virtual conference from 14-15 February >on Global Ethics and Sustainable Development. Your suggestions are very >welcome. You can also transmit this invitation to other possible >participants. > > >Please, for your registration send >an email to ahumaneworld@kub.nl (your name, >institution, country) > >It is organized in the domain of INES >the International Network of Engineers and Scientists for Global >Responsibility > >Best regards > >elohimjl > > > > >Global Ethics and Sustainable Development > >(Global Ethics for a Humane World) > >The virtual conference on global ethics and sustainable development will >take place on 14 and 15 February 2002, and will be devoted to the normative >principles necessary for sustainable development and the values on which >those principles are founded. This event aims to develop further the >recommendations and follow-up of the first virtual dialogue on "Global >Ethics for a Humane World" which took place from 10-15 December 2001, which >was organised by the Globus Institute and the NCDO. Participants from all >over the globe, representing several universities, NGOs and UN agencies took >part in that conference. The authors of the discussion papers and the >participants displayed a sincere interest in collaborating in the dialogue >and no doubt also benefitted from the points of view of others. Many of them >requested a continuation of this virtual dialogue. > >We warmly welcome new participants and extend our gratitude to the original >participants who wish again to be part of the new dialogue. We suggest that >there should be a reconsideration of the conclusions of the first conference >on the urgent need for a global ethics. Account should be taken of the major >themes relating to the international rule of law; universality and >multi-culturalism of human rights; the relationship between rights, duties >and responsibilities and the need to guide our interdependent world by a >global ethics. > >It is expected that our dialogue on global ethics can contribute to the >current moral debate related to the UN Conference on Sustainable Development >in 2002 and provide a shared platform for further discussions on the >international rule of law, good governance, human rights, sustainable >development, peace, and security. > >The key recommendations of the first dialogue were: > >the need for finding the norms and values for a shared ethics; > >strengthening the implementation of national and international law; > >consolidating the partnerships of the different actors at different levels, >and emphasising a multi-disciplinary and multi-cultural framework for >global ethics. > >In order to expand on these proposals the following list of items were >selected: > >sustainable development; > >realisation of human rights and fundamental freedoms, > >care of the environment; > >intra-generational equity; inter-generational justice; > >human dignity; > >good governance leading to responsibility and solidarity; > >peace, and democracy. > >It is suggested that participants should submit a contribution one of these >issues including: > >an explanation of its meaning, > >an example from history, tradition or culture; > >an interpretation of the legal or political sources; > >a proposal for implementation. > >Note: > >1. The working languages are: English, French, Spanish and Dutch. > >2. On 11 February 2002, the introduction, programme, and other basic >materials will be available at the website in these four languages. > >3. The contributions of the participants will not be translated. However, in >respect of those not in English, an English summary will be placed on the >website;. > >4. The contributions should not exceed the 150 words. They will be >reproduced on the website having regard to the subjects to which they deal; > >5. First time participants will find the rules of the conferences on the >website.for more information. > >We welcome your interest in participating in this dialogue on global ethics >for a human world, and we look forward to "meeting" you soon via the >Internet. > >Richard Goldstone, Ruud Lubbers and Patricia Morales From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Sat Feb 9 15:18:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id BDA2756F79; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:18:31 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD46656F78 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from modem-55.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.64.55] helo=vaio) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16ZgzK-0000E7-00 for ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:32:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c1b1c1$ff18bba0$166987d9@vaio> From: "Peter Jones" To: Subject: [ba-unrev-talk] Global Ethics and Sustainable Development Site Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:32:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Jack forwarded: >You are invited to participate in a virtual conference from 14-15 February >on Global Ethics and Sustainable Development. Your suggestions are very >welcome. You can also transmit this invitation to other possible >participants. > This is potent and valuable forum, one of several interlinked fora of similar potency, with UN and other connections. *However, their virtual debate is crying out for a decent online dialogue tool in the Lucid Fried Eggs mold to realise its full potential.* Would anyone with an appropriate tool care to offer them assistance? Home: http://fsw.kub.nl/globus/conference/default.htm Thanks, Peter From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Sun Feb 10 09:12:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id 8E6EA56F79; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:12:53 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from mail.cwo.com (mail1.cwo.com [209.210.78.50]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F7E56F78 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from jpark2 (port-st135.cwo.com [208.186.39.145]) by mail.cwo.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g1AHRLjN010344 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:27:23 -0800 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020210092503.024a9840@thinkalong.com> X-Sender: jackpark@thinkalong.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:25:08 -0800 To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org From: Jack Park Subject: [ba-unrev-talk] Fwd: [PORT-L] Windows XP warning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:14:10 -0500 >Reply-To: INTERNATIONAL DISCUSSION GROUP >Sender: INTERNATIONAL DISCUSSION GROUP >Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field >found and > ignored. >From: "John F. Sowa" >Subject: [PORT-L] Windows XP warning >To: PORT-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU > >If anybody is using (or thinking of using) Microsoft's latest >Windows XP operating system, please note the following words in >the EULA (End User Licensing Agreement): > > "You acknowledge and agree that Microsoft may automatically check > the version of the Product and/or its components that you are > utilizing and may provide upgrades or fixes to the Product that > will be automatically downloaded to your Workstation Computer." > >In other words, every user must agree to let MSFT have access to >anything and everything on the computer. For further discussion of >this point, see an article in InfoWorld: > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/02/11/020211opfoster.xml > >Following is the conclusion of the article: > > Both corporate and individual customers can choose to turn off >Windows > Auto-Update, the Microsoft officials pointed out.... > > Well, swell. But if it is indeed Microsoft's intent to continue >giving > users the right to decline downloads, why has the company written its > XP agreements to force users to explicitly surrender that right? Are > customers supposed to ignore what the licenses say and just hope > Microsoft won't ever do what the terms say it can do? That's not a > concept that will make anyone other than Bill Gates feel very secure. > >Bottom line: If you have or are thinking of getting Windows XP, do not >ever register your system with MSFT, make sure that you turn off the >automatic update feature, do not use Microsoft IE to access the WWW, >do not use Outlook to handle your email, and do not ever access any web >site that is owned or controlled by MSFT. > >Even then, you can't be totally sure that your computer will remain >invisible from the great tower of Mordor. > >John Sowa From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Mon Feb 11 12:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id 88D9556F84; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:07:05 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from nineoneone.andara.com (nineoneone.andara.com [24.222.0.9]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D930B56F82 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (u116n213.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.116.213]) by nineoneone.andara.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g1BKLPhg004272 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:21:29 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:21:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [ba-unrev-talk] Virtual World grows real economy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Szpakowski To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001801c1aa90$9dc60f20$a4bc193e@vaio> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org On Thursday, January 31, 2002, at 03:43 PM, Peter Jones wrote: > > It is a shame all those fantasy world spare competitive mental cycles > couldn't be harnessed for solving real wicked problems. > Maybe you could just trick folks into thinking they were playing a > fantasy > game when in fact they were solving world poverty? That in fact is the theme of Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game", where a young genius is being trained in battle game simulations, with the final battle turning out to have been real [cf http://www.ender.com/ender/; the http://www.ender.com address is, um, whimsical?). This also relates to the "use" of "play" and of "simulation". Note that Buckminster Fuller's "World Game" concept included running simulations of hard problems, in public (even in football stadiums). Related also is use, by us human mammals, of night-time sleep and dream cycles to re-create, embed, re-solve... Anyone here played the "Civilization" games (I haven't)? The peer-to-peer problem solving systems such as SETI show how collaborative "any time" (but maybe not "any way") are technically feasible. All the best, Mark > > Something else: This might sound like a platitude, but perhaps wicked > problems don't get solved easily because there isn't a large enough > mass of > participants competing for a big enough (individual winner) prize. That > is, > you need both the critical mass of intellectual input and sufficient > individual incentive to make it work. And also, perhaps the framework or > rubric within which the 'competition' is supported *needs* to support > any > time, any way, contribution so that players can contribute with an > individual strategy but the whole gets augmented as a result of play no > matter what. > > -- > Peter From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Wed Feb 20 06:03:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id 99DFA56F7A; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:03:12 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62A556F7A; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from modem-179.alaska.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.53.179] helo=vaio) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16dXZ8-0007SW-00; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:17:50 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c1ba19$40b5f5a0$f82e883e@vaio> From: "Peter Jones" To: , Subject: [ba-unrev-talk] ANN: GSIX, v0.44. Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:16:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Hi, Just announcing an update to GSIX to these lists initially. I identified a problem with semantic indeterminacy (problems with polysemy) in respect of the Bubble Rules for which I hope I've provided an adequate cure. It should now be possible to build proper ontologies (fingers and toes crossed). I hope to provide a document outlining how to do that in due course. Regards, Peter From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Wed Feb 20 07:50:46 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id A67EC56F7A; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:50:45 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360E156F7A; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from home ([63.197.14.24]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GRU000PSA10VA@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net>; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:05:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:05:38 -0800 From: John Maloney Subject: [ba-unrev-talk] KM Cluster Spring 2002 In-reply-to: <001101c1ba19$40b5f5a0$f82e883e@vaio> To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org, ba-ohs-talk@bootstrap.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org This bulletin is the announcement and your early registration invitation for the San Francisco and Silicon Valley Knowledge Management (KM) Cluster [http://kmcluster.com] Spring 2002 event on Thursday, March 28, 2002. The Spring 2002 KM Cluster event will be held at the SF State University Downtown Campus Conference Center, Room 304, 3rd Floor, 425 Market Street @ Fremont Street, San Francisco, California, USA, from 8:30am-5:00pm. The Spring 2002 Theme is "Collaborative Knowledge Networks." http://www.kmcluster.com/pdfs_docs/CKN.pdf Secure, on-line registration is now open. https://www.kmcluster.com/secureorderform.htm Please forward this message to colleagues concerned with KM, electronic collaboration and communities of practice. What is the KM Cluster? The Knowledge Management Cluster is a business community-of-practice focused on knowledge management and electronic collaboration. The KM Cluster has operated continuously since 1998. KM Cluster Benefits: By providing a KM venue for people, processes and technologies, the KM Cluster fosters collaboration between business communities, thought leaders and technologists. KM Cluster participants may expect the following benefits: - Interaction with local KM and collaboration experts - Access to future-focused KM technologies and practices - Participation in a thriving community of practice The Spring 2002 KM Cluster will reach capacity quickly. The number of participants is kept low to maximize interaction. To register, click on the link below. There is a small registration fee to cover room rental, equipment, refreshments, luncheon and other expenses. The KM Cluster is vendor-agnostic and draws support only from participants. KM Cluster - Secure eRegistration: https://www.kmcluster.com/secureorderform.htm In addition to the KM Cluster Spring 2002 event, please find below related KM and community announcements and events: Groove: The KM Cluster uses Groove 1.3 for community collaboration. Features include calendars, file sharing, discussion, and chat. For an invitation to the KM Cluster Spring 2002 Shared Space, please send a message to contact "KMCluster" from Groove. If you don't have Groove, you can download it from http://www.groove.net/downloads/groove. It's free, elegant and powerful. Sponsored & Recommended Events: "Improving Business Performance — A Systems Thinking Approach" [http://www.hps-inc.com/Business/ImpBusPerformance.htm] March 18, 19, 20, 2002, UC Berkeley, Berkeley, California. This hands-on workshop equips you with a Systems Thinking framework, language, method and tools for improving the performance of your organization. It is an excellent follow-on to the Winter KM Cluster, "Simulation and KM." See you at the Spring 2002 KM Cluster! John John Maloney AIM: jheuristic WWW: http://kmcluster.com Email: jmaloney@kmcluster.com From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Thu Feb 21 03:04:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id 5AFC356FCF; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:04:04 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DB956FCF; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:04:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from modem-77.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.3.77] helo=vaio) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16drFJ-0007NW-00; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:18:41 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c1bac9$647708c0$4d03883e@vaio> From: "Peter Jones" To: , Subject: [ba-unrev-talk] ANN: GSIX, v0.45 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:17:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Sorry to whizz to a new version already. I decided that the order of processing between Bubble Rules and 'ref' attributes was the wrong way around. Neater now. Cheers, Peter From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Sun Feb 24 14:00:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id 3C1DE56F79; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:00:13 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts7.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.40]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D587B56F78 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.228.165.113]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020224221453.XBCS15460.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:14:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3C796620.F86B5F7A@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:16:01 -0500 From: Henry K van Eyken X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Subject: [ba-unrev-talk] 5 - 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org 5 - 2 From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Sun Feb 24 15:05:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id 53F5056F79; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:05:49 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from spam.joinnet.com.jo (unknown [212.33.192.89]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652F156F78 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by SPAM with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:21:36 -0000 Received: from A5K0B7 ([212.33.199.95]) by spam.joinnet.com.jo with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id F21QVFX9; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:21:29 -0000 From: Ihsan Ali Al Darhi To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Message-ID: <003401c1b8b7$84ef8460$5fc721d4@a5k0b7> References: <3C796620.F86B5F7A@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [ba-unrev-talk] 5 - 2 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:01:14 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org > 5 - 2 I don't think the answer would be 3!! Am I correct? Mo From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Sun Feb 24 23:11:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id 92AF956F7B; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:11:42 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E82956F7A for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:11:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from adsl-63-201-89-3.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net ([63.201.89.3]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GS2006K2VC4T3@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net> for ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:26:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:17:36 -0800 (PST) From: Eugene Eric Kim Subject: [ba-unrev-talk] The Good Work Project X-X-Sender: To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org One of Howard Gardner's current projects is the Good Work Project: http://www.goodworkproject.org/ An excerpt from the site: Since 1995, three teams of investigators, under the direction of Howard Gardner, of Harvard University (Project Zero ), Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi of Claremont Graduate University, and William Damon of Stanford University, have been researching the ways in which leading professionals in a variety of domains carry out good work. "Good work" is used in a dual sense: 1) work that is deemed to be of high quality and 2) work that is socially responsible. The three published a book on their research, which I think would be a perfect candidate for review on Fleabyte. -Eugene -- +=== Eugene Eric Kim ===== eekim@eekim.com ===== http://www.eekim.com/ ===+ | "Writer's block is a fancy term made up by whiners so they | +===== can have an excuse to drink alcohol." --Steve Martin ===========+ From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Sun Feb 24 23:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id 2B72656F7D; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:43:25 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts7.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.40]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A0956F7C for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.228.165.101]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020225075808.IVOU15460.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:58:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3C79EED5.1BA9DCD8@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:59:17 -0500 From: Henry K van Eyken X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Subject: Re: [ba-unrev-talk] 5 - 2 References: <3C796620.F86B5F7A@sympatico.ca> <003401c1b8b7$84ef8460$5fc721d4@a5k0b7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Ihsan Ali Al Darhi wrote: > > 5 - 2 > > I don't think the answer would be 3!! Am I correct? > > Mo Actually, it is the score that today gave Canada the gold, the U.S. the silver for men's hockey at the Olympics. The subject is regarded here as of the utmost importance. Henry From owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Mon Feb 25 00:28:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk-list@bi0.bootstrap.org Received: by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix, from userid 2001) id D269D56F82; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:28:11 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by bi0.bootstrap.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5323356F7E for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.228.165.101]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020225083828.RCDH3415.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:38:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3C79F848.5191C3FE@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:39:36 -0500 From: Henry K van Eyken X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Subject: Re: [ba-unrev-talk] The Good Work Project References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A57F04BBBDF4EEAA296319CC" Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A57F04BBBDF4EEAA296319CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the suggestion, Eugene. In fact, I have the book and it is a candidate for review. This volume covers work in two areas: genetics and journalism. On the subject of reviews, I got into a bind, the kind of bind we may draw lessons from, so let me detail the issue a little. I feel that at this point it would be useful to take a fresh look at what we are trying to augment. In this connection I recently sketched a diagram which I'll attach again. The scale is still coarse, but it does give an indication what points to attend to for achieving augmentation. The diagram led me to try to give priority to material on the functioning of the brain. I chose John McCrone's book "Going Inside." The following URL gives chapter summaries: http://www.btinternet.com/~neuronaut/webtwo_chapter_summary.html An immediate problem, of course, is reviewer competence. A second problem is how to establish and extract those items of information most likely to be of value to the augmentation effort. A third problem is the fact that recent years appear to have caused some major changes away from what had become conventional wisdom, such as the Turing paradigm (brain and computer, just different info processing systems, but principles the same). Revision of Darwinism to include consequences of chaos theory is another subject. These kind of things raise the question, how up-to-date is this 1999 book? It also suggest a need for new (educational) publishing paradigms in which an OHS could be a major factor: experts working together to keep topic up to snuff so that those using aspects of a topic (non-experts now!) can quickly modify their thinking where needed. Looking at the book I somehow tried to make some quick-and-dirty comparisons with Pinker's "How the Mind Works." Pinker is most respectable in the field, but his book is two years older. My first, but probably too hasty an impression: toss away Pinker. All in all, we need an OHS, or something that can fill the gap in the meantime. Then, of course, Fleabyte has to become somehow respectable enough for knowledgeable people to participate in it maintenance - and in the process become a decent publication devoted to augmentation.. It's a toughie! Seems that I have been drifting from the subject, Eugene, but, then again, isn't it about puttong one's heart in journalism? Henry Eugene Eric Kim wrote: > One of Howard Gardner's current projects is the Good Work Project: > > http://www.goodworkproject.org/ > > An excerpt from the site: > > Since 1995, three teams of investigators, under the direction of Howard > Gardner, of Harvard University (Project Zero ), Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi > of Claremont Graduate University, and William Damon of Stanford > University, have been researching the ways in which leading > professionals in a variety of domains carry out good work. 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with ESMTP id <20020225085451.QXLS774.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:54:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3C79FC27.47E905CB@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:56:07 -0500 From: Henry K van Eyken X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Subject: Re: [ba-unrev-talk] The Good Work Project References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org Furthermore: Increasing crossdisciplinarity calls for scientic, technical books to be always available in digital form. Good manners calls for all these materials to be properly purple-numbered. Copyright laws need changing so that whole sections can be copied for reassembly in different contexts. (Right now, while info is not copyrighted, style is.) Of course, Ted Nelson ideas about copyright attribution should be widely understood and gather clout! Just some of the things one learns trying to run this pedestrian-looking Fleabyte. Henry Eugene Eric Kim wrote: > One of Howard Gardner's current projects is the Good Work Project: > > http://www.goodworkproject.org/ > etc