Re: [unrev-II] Automated Factories and Implications

From: Henry van Eyken (
Date: Wed Feb 16 2000 - 12:39:35 PST

From: Henry van Eyken <>


Although the "we" in "what we want" is heavily skewd by the powers that be,
on the whole you appear to be correct in the sense of being pragmatic. The
route I perceive is from education (bootstrapped: learning to learn") incl.
computent citizenry plus various linked public DKRs. Those DKRs making for a
source of wisdom for a workable form of participatory democracy. (That was
easier written than established! But that seems to be a proper direction to
aim for over the long haul.)


Eric Armstrong wrote:

> From: Eric Armstrong <>
> Henry van Eyken wrote:
> >
> >
> > Maybe we should have a big conference, not of world and business
> > leaders,
> > but of leaders in the humanities and science fields to discuss: What
> > is it
> >
> > Henry
> At the moment, the market decides what "we" want. And it accurately does
> that, for "we" considered as a whole. In general, though, I take your
> point about thinking through what we *really* want. To sum it up in a
> word, I would use *implications*. What are the implications of doing this
> or that? What are the implications of this or that policy, this or that
> technology, this or that product?
> With respect to complex systems, the effects of policy decisions are
> often so counter-intuitive that getting the right policy can be
> a very difficult proposition. The "unexpected implications" get you.
> Example: Mandating cleaner air by requiring oxygenated gasoline.
> Now we have MBTE headed for our drinking water, and already there in
> some places. We will be highly lucky to survive such unintended
> consequences through the next century.
> The interesting aspect of a DKR is the possibility that it will help
> us track the implications we can think of, give us a mechanism for
> recording the implications we didn't expect, and make us smarter about
> predicting implications accurately in the future.
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