Re: [unrev-II] Chaordic organizations

From: Jack Park (
Date: Thu Jun 22 2000 - 11:01:52 PDT

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    I would love to read a review of the book by you.

    This quote:
    "All organizations are merely conceptual embodiments of a very old, very
    basic idea -- the idea of community. They can be no more or less than the
    sum of the beliefs of the people drawn to them; of their character,
    judgments, acts, and efforts," Hock says. "An organization's success has
    enormously more to do with clarity of a shared purpose, common principles
    and strength of belief in them than to assets, expertise, operating ability,
    or management competence, important as they may be."
    pretty much sums up what I think I see in Hock's ideas. If that is so, then
    it causes me to begin thinking about Unrev in this light. Doug has, indeed,
    catalyzed an organization of one sort or another. It strikes me that
    whatever the chaordic principles are, they must apply to us as well.

    We see a bit of the chaordic behavior (I'm not yet comfortable tossing that
    word around so much) in Doug himself. He has been reluctant to be much
    beyond a catalyst, and I suspect that is in some part behind the insider vs.
    outsider discussion that just went past us here. The insiders now have in
    Eugene someone who takes responsibility for meeting agendas and that itself
    appears to suit Hock's ideas. For me, the key words in the above quote are
    clarity of a shared purpose, common principles and strength of belief in

    It seems to me that the statement of shared purpose is precisely what that
    one paragraph summary has been all about.

    Indeed, it might just be a worth thread here to, say, map Hock's ideas into
    Eric's lead with IBIS.

    Say what?
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Paul Fernhout <>
    To: <>
    Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 6:23 PM
    Subject: Re: [unrev-II] Chaordic organizations

    > Jack-
    > I agree. I bought his book about a month or so ago.
    > The first reference on the list I saw that got me interested was in:
    > [unrev-II] Buckminster Fuller Institute
    > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:21:18 -0800
    > From: Ron Goldman <
    > After describing the Buckminster Fuller Institute (which I believe is at
    > Stanford ), Ron wrote:
    > > Seems like lots of groups are trying to develop better tools to augment
    > > people's ability to comprehend our impact on the world. See also the
    > > Chaordic Alliance:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > founded by Dee Hock. One of their 4 goals is the:
    > >
    > > "Development of visual and physical models of chaordic organizations so
    > > that people have something to examine, experiment with, and compared to
    > > existing organizations. The models must contain the ethical and
    > > dimensions generally lacking in current models. In addition, computer
    > > simulations will need to be created to allow people to quickly see how
    > > clarity of purpose and principles allow institutions to self organize,
    > > evolve over decades, and link in new patterns for an enduring
    > > society."
    > I am still trying to understand exactly what Dee Hock's principles are
    > in a little more detail and how the would be introduced into practice in
    > various situtations.
    > -Paul Fernhout
    > Kurtz-Fernhout Software
    > =========================================================
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    > > Jack Park wrote:
    > >
    > > This page
    > >
    > >
    > > is a discussion about the evolution of chaordic organizations. The
    > > term chaordic was coined by Dee Hock after he turned BankAmericard
    > > into Visa International by completely reorganizing the system. I have
    > > a very strong suspicion that I landed here based on one of the many
    > > useful links John Deneen has submitted to this group. There may be
    > > much to learn from the approach Dee Hock takes to structuring
    > > organizations.
    > > [snip]
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