[unrev-II] Fwd: [announce] A few words from Brazil

From: Jack Park (jackpark@thinkalong.com)
Date: Sun Sep 16 2001 - 09:06:02 PDT

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    >From: "Flavio Mesquita" <fmsdesign@zaz.com.br>
    >To: <Announce@isss.org>
    >First of all, I would like to express my disagreement with any kind of
    >relationhip which ends up in at least one of the side as loser. The sad news
    >involving the attacks in NY and D.C. is an example of the lack of balance
    >that has been creating a lot of deep trouble to this little, globalized
    >world. Unfortunately, we, Brazilians are already starting to pay for the
    >damage. There was an instant devaluation of Real (our currency), and it's
    >still going down. There ins't much that can be done about it. Unemployment
    >will rise, and so will all the related social maladies (moral decay, drug
    >comsumption, prostitution, etc.). This stupid globalized world will force
    >the unprepared countries to deal with the damage so that the rich ones will
    >survive. This means that millions of people around the world will pay a very
    >high price in order to help the US find some relief. I doubt if the family
    >who lost their beloved ones will. I completely disagree with the terrorist
    >action. I gave a lot of thought this week about it, and thought of all the
    >folks who were there, their friends and families, and all the ones who
    >somehow had and/or are having a hard time as a consequence of such an insane
    >action. I also thought about the ones who found in hate a way to express
    >their pain, their anguish, their fear. Those emotions can be as explosive as
    >the bombs that have been daily dropped in Irac. It is indeed a complex
    >problem. And the solution must be found within ourselves, not in the enemy.
    >By the way, who is the enemy? When I saw the US president saying that the
    >government is just waiting for time to have the enemy identified to
    >counterattack, and that 94% of the population agrees with the idea of
    >declaring war against this still unknown offender, I wonder whether we
    >should look first inside ourselves... The Brazilian economy is going crazy,
    >and the cause is not recent. There has been a virtual economy going on,
    >moved by speculators, which cannot stop. If it does, and it has partially
    >happened this last few days, the hole (not the whole) appears. There is a
    >design problem to be solved. In my humble opinion, it is not a matter of
    >discerning war from peace (or evil from good), but of understanding the
    >origins of non-peace, which overwhelms the virgin, creative side of each of
    >us. From my own experience dealing with different peoples in Brazil and
    >abroad for many years, I have found out that there is very little evil on
    >this planet. I mean evil people. There are instead minds and hearts that
    >grew obscured by difficulties imposed by few powerful ones, who cannot
    >understand the extent of their actions. Some of these leaders might be evil,
    >I agree. But most are people who had their hearts and minds affected by pain
    >and fear, and use their power erroneously. Even in a supposedly real
    >democracy we see people living without peace. In Brazil, for one, we have no
    >war, but do not live in peace. It is very delusional to believe in a state
    >of freedom that has been granted by someone, for he/she can take it away
    >from you anytime he/she finds it admissible, even without your consent. And
    >democracy creates this image of freedom. Everyone is free to become whatever
    >he/she wants. The lack of peace, love, and understanding, is right there, no
    >matter the political regime.
    >It is my hope that we will move forward, and reach within and among
    >ourselves the intelligence, the love, the understanding, and the peace we
    >need to make this planet at least a little better than today.
    >Best regards,
    >Flavio Mesquita da Silva
    >MA. Whole Systems Design
    >----- Original Message -----
    >From: "Ken Baskin" <bman47@netaxs.com>
    >To: "George W. Pasdirtz, Ph.D." <pasdirtz@facstaff.wisc.edu>
    >Cc: <Announce@isss.org>; <gianfranco.minati@iol.it>
    >Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:23 PM
    >Subject: Re: [announce] solidarity
    > > George,
    > >
    > > I fear you're being somewhat unrealistic below. All through human history
    > > we have remained in a strange attractor in which war and peace alternate.
    > > Is another attractor possible? Is so, what is it and what can we do to
    > > move toward it? Those are not easy questions to answer.
    > >
    > > Ken
    > >
    > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, George W. Pasdirtz, Ph.D. wrote:
    > >
    > > > Gianfranco,
    > > >
    > > > It's so good to hear from you. I miss our discussion at Asilomar!
    > > > Once again you go to the heart of the problem: What is a sustainable
    > > > response to terrorism? How might a wide range of related government
    > > > policy become sustainable? How might the considerable energy of
    > > > terrorist organizations be redirected to peace? How do we involve
    > > > these organizations as stakeholders? Do they want to be stakeholders?
    > > >
    > > > Thank You! Only Peace is sustainable.
    > > >
    > > > >The future must be designed with all the involved
    > > > >stakeholders to be sustainable.
    > > > >We all have contradictory behavior: let's the positive part be
    > > > >predominant."
    > > > >
    > > > >Peace,
    > > > >Gianfranco
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > George W. Pasdirtz, Ph.D.
    > > > 1210 W. Dayton Street
    > > > University of Wisconsin--Madison
    > > > (608) 265-4479
    > > > http://axle.doit.wisc.edu/~gwp
    > > > mailto:pasdirtz@facstaff.wisc.edu
    > > >
    > >
    > >

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