Re: [unrev-II] [Fwd: Very thought provoking (and damned scary!)]

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    > Subject: Very thought provoking (and damned scary!)
    > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:05:53 -0400
    > From: "Douglas Burns" <>
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    > Forwarded by a friend of mine.. This is very thought provoking.
    > Dear Friends,
    > The following was sent to me by my friend Tamim Ansary. Tamim is
    > an Afghani-American writer. He is also one of the most brilliant people
    > I know in this life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I listen.
    > Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we are in.
    > * Gary T.
    > Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread:
    > I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back
    > to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that
    > this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do
    > with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral
    > damage. What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit
    > discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done." And I
    > thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from
    > Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never
    > lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will
    > listen how it all looks from where I'm standing. I speak as one who
    > hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.
    > There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible
    > for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about
    > those monsters. But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan.
    > They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult
    > of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a
    > political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis.
    > When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people
    > of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not
    > only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They
    > were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone
    > would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of
    > international thugs holed up in their country.
    > Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the
    > Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt,
    > incapacitated, suffering.
    > A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are
    > 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan-a country with no economy, no
    > food. There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying
    > these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines,
    > the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the
    > reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban. We come
    > now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.
    > Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make
    > the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done.
    > Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their
    > hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from
    > medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that. New
    > bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least
    > get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban
    > eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and
    > hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they
    > don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over
    > Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the
    > criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making
    > common cause with the Taliban-by raping once again the people they've
    > been raping all this time. So what else is there? What can be done,
    > then?
    > Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to
    > get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of
    > "having the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms
    > of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to
    > overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our
    > heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying.
    > And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through
    > Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that folks.
    > Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through
    > Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would
    > have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where
    > I'm going.
    > We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West. And
    > guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants.
    > That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right
    > there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem
    > ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and
    > the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in
    > those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's
    > even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the
    > end the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the War would last
    > for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the
    > belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?
    > Tamim Ansary
    > >PEACE,

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