Will look forward to highlights of Black Belt testing on 011116 (put in the
Schedule, so won't forget, and highlight to make extra sure. Many years ago I
had a little success in wrestling, and so that stuff still has a lot of
Still not sure on Traction. Your letter does not seem to say anything about
work product. Is there some place we can see that shows Traction's mechanisms
obviously work? Worry about IP, cited in your letter below, does not prevent
looking at work product, as you pointed out on 010916.
Eric Armstrong wrote:
> Hi, Rod.
> Black Belt testing is in a couple of weeks, on Friday, Nov 16th.
> The news cameras will probably be there, so you may catch
> highlights on the late-night news.
> The Traction interface was great with respect to categories.
> The were hierachical, you could change them, and it kept an
> audit trail of changes.
> However, the software was never made available, as far as
> I know. Their comment with regard to open sourcing it was
> that, if they did, it would "constitute the greatest act of charity
> in the history of software development". That's a bit of an
> overstatement, I'm sure, but I understand the feeling.
> Personally, I think that the information on the web is free, but
> you still buy a computer so you can access it. So even if
> knowledge is available for use, I see no harm in people
> purchasing the platform with which to avail themselves of it.
> On the contrary, I see that the opportunity to make money
> by providing better access and production mechansims can
> only contribute to the spread of the technology, and hasten
> the development of a knowledge-interchange standard.
> (The way I see things, some knowledge will still be secure.
> So the intelligence community would let knowledge in, but not
> let knowledge leak out. Similary for various other sensitive
> Given the potential for making a living to attract developers, the
> potential to make a profit to attract people with business sense,
> and the potential for security to attract significant purchasers
> in government and industry, I can see a huge potential upside.
> Or we can insist on open source. So far, that has been our
> choice. Two years later, I don't see that we have gotten very
> much further down the road as a result of that choice.
> Nevertheless, it remains our choice.
> Rod Welch wrote:
> > Eric,
> > First, what's story on your black belt event? Are we going to see you
> > in the
> > Olympics in 2004?
> > In your letter on 010925, see below, you say Traction had the right
> > interface
> > for assigning and displaying categories, plus mechanisms for audit
> > trails and
> > other important functions. This aligns with Traction's presentation
> > at SRI on
> > 000413 where the representative, Chris, demonstrated these features.
> > If memory
> > serves, we heard that the staff uses the program for daily work
> > designing,
> > producing and marketing Traction, however, Chris explained there
> > wasn't enough
> > time during the meeting at SRI to show any work product.
> > Later on 000414 I believe a letter came over the transom from you
> > recommending
> > the OHS/DKR team use Traction because it is the "closest thing to a
> > complete OHS
> > with hints of DKR-ness."
> > Is there any work product showing this capability, for example to
> > assign
> > categories, follow an audit trail on something? We got a few letters
> > from Chris
> > following up the demonstration at SRI, but there were no links to work
> > product.
> > Yesterday, Eugene provided a location to see work on dialog maps,
> > which you
> > described in a letter on 010916. That shows how organizational memory
> > is used
> > to carry on the work of the OHS Launch Community. Is there a web site
> > for
> > Traction that shows how the meeting on 000413 was handled, or how
> > Traction
> > organized an email, or did work on XML, or on developing the category
> > features
> > you describe?
> > In Eugene's letter on 010917 he proposes experimenting with different
> > solutions,
> > as he is doing with dialog maps, and Jack is doing with topic maps.
> > What
> > experiments have been done with Traction? Is the Traction category
> > method as
> > fast and easy as dialog mapping and topic maps?
> > Rod
> > Eric Armstrong wrote:
> > >
> > > Jack Park wrote:
> > >
> > > > At 07:53 PM 9/24/2001 -0700, Eric wrote:
> > > > >Say, yeah!-- Especially that part about having a place to argue.
> > > > :__))
> > > > >
> > > > >It sounds to me like a combination of Traction categories and
> > Topic
> > > > >Maps get you pretty far down the road -- but tacking on such
> > stuff
> > > > >to a think written in Php is the problem...
> > > >
> > > > Eric,
> > > > How do you map between Traction categories and memes.net
> > categories?
> > > > Also, would we really need purple numbers if things are already
> > broken
> > > > down
> > > > as much as they appear at memes.net?
> > > > I'm thinking Java, here.
> > >
> > > Traction had the right interface for assigning categories and
> > displaying
> > > the
> > > categories applied to nodes. They also had audit trails to show how
> > > categories
> > > changed. That makes it good interface model for categorizing things.
> > >
> > > Topic maps, of course, provide a much more substantive mechanism for
> > > actually defining categories, becuase of the richness of the
> > > relationships that
> > > occur between them. So a Traction-style interface coupled with Topic
> > Map
> > >
> > > based "categories" (topics), would produce a heckuva a bang for the
> > > buck.
> > >
> > > I'm not familiar with memes.net categories, but got the idea from
> > your
> > > message
> > > that they were useful, and that you were mentally designing
> > solutions.
> > > The
> > > Traction-style interface looked like it would be part of a good
> > > solution.
> > >
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