Rod, I would be delighted to carry on this conversation, on the off
chance that it will produce a useful result. However, I'm going to
need the salient parts of those links extracted so I can make sense
of the flow of information.
Lacking an "inclusion link", I do quoting. That makes it possible for
someone else to see what I'm replying to, or what I'm referencing.
I wish we had an inclusion-cabability, so you could use the links you
have. I wish we had it so we could use purple numbers intelligently.
(Although even then I note that while they work great for individual
paragraphs, when we reference a section heading will need to
distinguish between transcluding the entire section, or only the
The default, I think, should be the entire section.)
Anyway, following this thread of yours requires bouncing around
among 4 or 5 windows to figure out what the thread is. And any
response I make will require the reader to do the same bouncing to
figure out what I'm referring to.
I won't inflict that on my readers, and I don't much like it myself.
Rod Welch wrote:
> Are you saying in your letter this afternoon at 1408 that if Traction
> hierarchical structure this would have enabled analysis for effective
> "intelligence," per examples in my letter earlier today at 1338,
> Traction work product at....
> ....and further in connection with your letter on 011031 at....
> Can you flesh out a scenario, as you have done so often, to show how
> hierarchical structure helps convert important information in your
> letter into
> useful knowledge, and then use that showing to resolve worry in your
> letter on
> 00503 that this is too difficult to tackle? Sounds like we are making
> on our question from 000120.
> Recall research a few months later on 000307 by the OHS/DKR team
> explaining that
> people are wired to think in through "stories".....
> An example is the IBIS question from a popular movie from, 20 years
> ago or so,
> "What's the story, Richie?"
> Richie tells his story, and the old man asks...,
> "Then what happened?"
> Those are the three most popular words in all humanity. Let's repeat,
> what happened?" Why do people what to know "Then what happened?"
> A big part of the answer has to do with your powerful point about
> A lot of people feel if they can get the story, plus the story before,
> and what
> happened later, then they can use that context to decide what to do in
> order to
> make the story turn out the way they want by inferring causation, and
> using that
> knowledge to control the future by working to effect similar context.
> use "stories" to augment human reasoning, as explained on 900319....
> ...because people think through stories, as in "She went over the
> story in her
> mind once again." People rarely go over the data in their mind,
> rather they
> remember data and information through stories.
> How would hierarchical structure in categories proposed in your letter
> today at
> 1408 help people produce better analysis that augments intelligence,
> where this
> is taken to mean a clear, concise, complete story that aligns new data
> information with history, objectives, requirements and commitments?
> Eric Armstrong wrote:
> > Rod Welch wrote:
> > > ...the IBIS question of the day is why doesn't powerful category
> > > capability in Traction enable better intelligence?
> > Ah. From the standpoint of IBIS, what Traction is missing is good
> > hierarchical
> > structuring. For lists, it's great. You can search on categories and
> > make lists.
> > But for a structured discussion, you are missing the kinds of
> > hierarchical
> > relationships that say, "this is a repy to that".
> > Note, too, that IBIS-style plus/minus categories are a function of
> > *relationship* (or context), not the node. So if I say,
> > "bubble sort can be implemented quickly, but doesn't
> > perform well for large sets of mostly-unordered data"
> > that statement is neither a positive or a negative, on its own. It
> > a "knowledge nugget" that can be reused in a variety of contexts.
> > But when I establish a context like one of the following:
> > a) We need a sort for 10 or 15 items that the typical user will
> > enter on our web site, and we need it yesterday.
> > or
> > b) We need a sort for the 150,000 items in our database, that
> > will operate nightly.
> > Then the bubble-sort information above can be considered as a
> > positive in one case, or a negative in the other.
> > Traction had little in the way of hierarchical structuring, so you
> > could create lists of options under design questions, and no
> > ability to categorize the resulting relationships.
> > However, they set the interface standard for how categories
> > should operate.
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