Re: [unrev-II] Black Belt test -- Progress

From: Henry K van Eyken (vaneyken@sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed Nov 28 2001 - 04:36:51 PST

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    Sheldon.

    All of which makes me wonder about Little Red Riding Hood.

    Henry

    Sheldon Brahms wrote:

    > Hello Kibosh Folks,
    >
    > Just throwing my two cents in to this discussion, if for no other reason
    > then to extend it beyond all rationality. I was struck by the
    > interpretation of the original word "kibosh" as coming from the Gaelic "cie
    > báis".
    >
    > And yes, Eric, you are quite right as to the spelling of many old Gaelic
    > words as having little to do with their actual pronunciation. But when you
    > extraplolate on their meanings, origins and extensions, some interesting
    > tidbits emerge.
    >
    > For instance:
    >
    > To keep along the lines of your etymological thinking in the crusty old
    > Irishman putting the "cie báis" on it, here is a bit of old Gaelic folklore
    > to go with it.
    >
    > It seems that there is a little known, but very unpleasant and bloodthirsty
    > character in ye olde Faerie mythologie of the Unseelie Court, the dark
    > counterpart to the elegant faeries of the ruling Seelie Court.
    >
    > And curiously enough, this "chap' is know as the Redcap, largely getting the
    > name from their blood stained caps.
    >
    > Here is an excerpt from a folklore encyclopedia regarding redcaps. Enjoy,
    > but please get grossed out on someone else's rug!
    >
    > ---Sheldon
    > ===============================================================
    >
    > Eric Armstrong wrote:
    >
    > > Great reference, Gerald! I think the derivation from the Irish
    > > makes the most sense. All of the other alternatives given in
    > > the article were really a stretch, but this one flows like water:
    > >
    > > "The Irish poet, Padric Colum, believes the word originates in the
    > > Irish Gaelic phrase cie báis meaning "cap of death". The word báis
    > >
    > > is apparently pronounced 'bawsh' and cie is presumably
    > > pronounced with a hard initial consonant, rather like "kai".
    > >
    > > Having spent all of 3 hours or so studying the Irish language, I
    > > can tell you that the pronciation is damn difficult to deduce from
    > > the spelling! It could have come out something like "cay boesh",
    > > as well, and still have been transmogrified into kai-bosh later on.
    > >
    > > But to me, the most important etymological clue is the word "on"
    > > in the full idiom -- "put the kibosh *on* it". A cap is something
    > > you put on, and I can just *hear* a crusty old Irish countryman
    > > saying, "Aye, lad, that's put the cie bais on it."
    > >
    > > That's the kind of thing you would just naturally pick up and take
    > > home with you!
    > >
    > > (I just LOVE etymology...)
    > >
    > > "Gerald. Pierce" wrote:
    > >
    > > > Henry.....I think that Eric meant to say was Kibosh (kai-bosh). As to
    > > > it's
    > > > origin......much speculation but less certainty. Check this
    > > > out>>>http://www.quinion.com/words/articles/kibosh.htm
    > > >
    > > > Henry K van Eyken wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > Eric
    > > > >
    > > > > Always learning something new. Or do I? "Kibsosh." Where does that
    > > > come from?
    > > > >
    > > > > Henry
    > > > >
    > > > > Eric Armstrong wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > Hey, Henry. Sorry for putting the kibsosh on
    > > > > > your last project. I was going through a rough
    > > > > > patch. (Hearing that dozens of folks were
    > > > > > actually developing something, after all the
    > > > > > time and energy I put into trying to get something
    > > > > > off the ground -- well, that didn't really help.)
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > etc.
    > > > >
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