Sheldon.
All of which makes me wonder about Little Red Riding Hood.
Henry
Sheldon Brahms wrote:
> Hello Kibosh Folks,
>
> Just throwing my two cents in to this discussion, if for no other reason
> then to extend it beyond all rationality. I was struck by the
> interpretation of the original word "kibosh" as coming from the Gaelic "cie
> báis".
>
> And yes, Eric, you are quite right as to the spelling of many old Gaelic
> words as having little to do with their actual pronunciation. But when you
> extraplolate on their meanings, origins and extensions, some interesting
> tidbits emerge.
>
> For instance:
>
> To keep along the lines of your etymological thinking in the crusty old
> Irishman putting the "cie báis" on it, here is a bit of old Gaelic folklore
> to go with it.
>
> It seems that there is a little known, but very unpleasant and bloodthirsty
> character in ye olde Faerie mythologie of the Unseelie Court, the dark
> counterpart to the elegant faeries of the ruling Seelie Court.
>
> And curiously enough, this "chap' is know as the Redcap, largely getting the
> name from their blood stained caps.
>
> Here is an excerpt from a folklore encyclopedia regarding redcaps. Enjoy,
> but please get grossed out on someone else's rug!
>
> ---Sheldon
> ===============================================================
>
> Eric Armstrong wrote:
>
> > Great reference, Gerald! I think the derivation from the Irish
> > makes the most sense. All of the other alternatives given in
> > the article were really a stretch, but this one flows like water:
> >
> > "The Irish poet, Padric Colum, believes the word originates in the
> > Irish Gaelic phrase cie báis meaning "cap of death". The word báis
> >
> > is apparently pronounced 'bawsh' and cie is presumably
> > pronounced with a hard initial consonant, rather like "kai".
> >
> > Having spent all of 3 hours or so studying the Irish language, I
> > can tell you that the pronciation is damn difficult to deduce from
> > the spelling! It could have come out something like "cay boesh",
> > as well, and still have been transmogrified into kai-bosh later on.
> >
> > But to me, the most important etymological clue is the word "on"
> > in the full idiom -- "put the kibosh *on* it". A cap is something
> > you put on, and I can just *hear* a crusty old Irish countryman
> > saying, "Aye, lad, that's put the cie bais on it."
> >
> > That's the kind of thing you would just naturally pick up and take
> > home with you!
> >
> > (I just LOVE etymology...)
> >
> > "Gerald. Pierce" wrote:
> >
> > > Henry.....I think that Eric meant to say was Kibosh (kai-bosh). As to
> > > it's
> > > origin......much speculation but less certainty. Check this
> > > out>>>http://www.quinion.com/words/articles/kibosh.htm
> > >
> > > Henry K van Eyken wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > > Always learning something new. Or do I? "Kibsosh." Where does that
> > > come from?
> > > >
> > > > Henry
> > > >
> > > > Eric Armstrong wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey, Henry. Sorry for putting the kibsosh on
> > > > > your last project. I was going through a rough
> > > > > patch. (Hearing that dozens of folks were
> > > > > actually developing something, after all the
> > > > > time and energy I put into trying to get something
> > > > > off the ground -- well, that didn't really help.)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > etc.
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