Re: Mindset = Import/Export Standard

From: Andrius Kulikauskas (
Date: Wed Nov 22 2000 - 00:04:44 PST

Rod, good to hear from you, and I share this our letter with our working
group, and it is very late at night.

     Rod's comments:

> Can you explain how MindSet handles topic maps? There seem to be general discussion in the references you submitted; but, I did not see anything specific. Do you have an example that shows how Topic Maps are applied, say, to something like a letter, or a web page? Jack Park on the DKR team is looking at this issue closely; see, for example, analysis on June 23, and more recently on October 25.

I actually got to know Jack Park during this year, especially at the
last meeting of TopicMaps.Org in Dallas, Texas. He is a great person to
talk to on any subject. The XML for TopicMaps standard is on track for
delivery in early December at the XML 2000 conference in Washington D.C. Some of the changes in the
conceptual model and the syntax have made the Topic Maps more elegant
and actually closer in spirit to the MindSet standard. So they are
quite compatible and I expect to work to draft a "Topic Maps Template"
as one of the formats for expressing MindSet. In general, I do
recommend TopicMaps, it's looking to be a nice standard, very
thoughtful. Topic Map Templates will be defined I think early next
year, but we could have a draft of a MindSet format earlier.

What is the basis of "thinking." Does this effort rely on connectionist
theory in cognitive science?

Ultimately, there's not much more basis than what's spelled out in the
standard itself - that we are modeling our thinking, because we want to
reexperience it. We are modeling very basic aspects of our thinking -
immersed vs. reflective, static vs. dynamic, and we are doing this by
identifying the "mental levers" in the material that we are using. I do
have a well developed philosophy, and aesthetic, to see if this makes
sense, but they are basically empirically driven, and minimal
requirements. So I think it's a simple but deep standard.

Would like an example of how this might help bake a cake, mow the lawn,
prepare for a meeting, etc.

Yes, that's needed. Right now my emphasis is on making money, writing
proposals. Actually, an example of a "directed network" used for
"examining legitimacy" is at:

That analyzes the "cycles" that indicate that there might be economic
flow that could sustain itself and us as organizers.



The rest of this letter is silly and for our working group.

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
+1 (773) 651-3785 or 586-6280

Hey, superheroes!
     We've been noticed by a "conspiracy" at
which is a hyper-self-reflective evolving group of the same variety as
we are. Except they have Doug Engelbert, who invented a lot of things,
like the mouse. They also have Rod Welch with a very cool intriguing
piece of software called the Schedule Diary System, as you will see
     But we have the MindSet standard, which Rod comments at:

That's cool. Also, I think we have the key of a business plan - public
research as a for-profit service - that they seem to be in search of.
The DKR is the Dynamic Knowledge Repository Project:

The Open Hyperdocument System, for collaborative knowledge management,
is at:

with work started on a browser called the Hyperscope.
     We also have a bunch of great members, with all kinds of projects that are
completely independent and self-driving. And we have proposals for
building on that.
     Good night,

Rod Welch wrote:
> Andrius,
> Good to hear from you again. Here are some initial comments, per your
> request...
> Rod
> **********************************
> Andrius Kulikauskas wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I'm curious if you have thought about "import/export". I think
> > that's an important "bootstrapping" question. If it's not possible to
> > export all of the information, it seems dubious to work hard to
> > contribute to it. I think this is a major obstacle for using tools for
> > organizing thoughts. Therefore our laboratory, Minciu Sodas, is
> > developing an import/export standard MindSet,
> > which makes explicit the type of
> > structuring used: Unordered Hierarchy, Nondirected Network, Directed
> > Network, Acyclic Network, Closed Sequence, Open Sequence. It's a
> > modeling language for modeling our thinking. I'm very interested in
> > comments on my draft. We have a working group
> >
> >
> > We'll now be organizing "public domain zones" focused on particular
> > topics. Because if the material is not collected in the public domain,
> > then again, it's useless because you can't use it freely, it's
> > impractical to get permissions. So we're going to promote this
> > combination: "public domain" and "import/export". I think this would be
> > related to so if it is, please let me know. Please write
> > to me at Thanks!
> >
> > Andrius Kulikauskas
> > Director
> > Minciu Sodas laboratory
> >
> >
> > +1 (773) 651-3785 or 586-6280
> > in Chicago through December

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