[unrev-II] Listening to Doug, Proposal

From: Rod Welch (rowelch@attglobal.net)
Date: Wed Nov 22 2000 - 13:36:01 PST

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    Adam and the gang,

    Please see my letter with ideas on using the record, and incorporating
    conversation to create a DKR that supports project objectives for an OHS and
    DKR...

    http://www.welchco.com/04/00067/61/00/11/2101.HTM#0001

    Thanks.

    Rod

    Adam Cheyer wrote:
    >
    > Just for fun, I called Doug to see if he could shed light on the definitions
    > of these terms. Here's what I got:
    >
    > Hyperdocument: "The knowledge container. No one says it has to be a file,
    > any container."
    >
    > Dynamic Knowledge Repository: "The handbook, the conversations and
    > annotations,
    > the contents. Dynamically up to date representing the state of the
    > repository.
    > If you want more depth, you can trace back and find the evolution of
    > that in
    > the record."
    >
    > OHS : "A toolset with the structure and properties of the knowledge
    > containers plus the functions that you can execute on them, including
    > viewing,
    > traveling, linking, editing, etc. Includes auxilliary languages,
    > compilers, tools,
    > user interface. Does not include the contents of documents itself,
    > only how you structure and operate on them."
    >
    > HyperScope: "Part of the OHS, that you can implement early and get
    > immediate
    > utility in the context of legacy files. As it evolves to add more
    > features
    > (e.g. backlinking, editing), it becomes a bigger part of the OHS."
    >
    > OHS to me now seems almost like the term "MS Windows", which contains the
    > operating
    > system, the look and feel, the philosophy, as well as a set of included
    > tools such
    > as the web browser or media player. But it appears OHS does not represent
    > the content
    > of the knowledge repository or containers (documents).
    >
    > Doug was thrilled to be asked about it and was happy that we are having
    > dialogs
    > about this because he emphasized how working through terms is an essential
    > part
    > of cooperative knowledge work.
    >
    > -- Adam
    >
    > ps: Does reply work better not that I'm not sending as HTML?
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Eric Armstrong [mailto:eric.armstrong@eng.sun.com]
    > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:46 PM
    > To: unrev-II@egroups.com
    > Subject: Re: [unrev-II] Re: Tuesday's meeting
    >
    > Thanks for looking into that, Adam.
    > Good to know that I hadn't just missed something obvious.
    >
    > Consistent terminology makes sense. It's the only tool we
    > have to attack the problem with.
    >
    > I am totally in love with:
    > HyperScope -- the viewer
    > HyperDocument -- the thing viewed (a "slice" taken
    > from a repository)
    > Open HyperDocument Repository -- where they are kept
    > OHS: HyperScope + OHR + HyperDocuments
    >
    > At the moment, I continue to reserve the term "DKR" for
    > future developments. Jack and Howard are constructing
    > the ontology for the OHS, and we need that. But later on
    > they are going to want to build bigger and better
    > ontologies to solve even deeper problems (yes?).
    >
    > I know that the OHS as currently envisioned will solve
    > a lot of problems, and provide us with the ability to
    > carry on intelligent, far-ranging discussions that can
    > eventually "coalesce" to reach one or more conclusions.
    >
    > I'm not yet convinced, however, that it will give Jack
    > and Howard *all* the tools they need to play with
    > bigger and better ontologies -- to construct them,
    > operate on them, and use them to deal with information
    > in meaningful ways. Much as I want to see the capability
    > come into existence, it is not all clear to me that the
    > current design will be capable of doing that.
    >
    > So I tend to use DKR for that still-nebulous thing we
    > hope to get to sometime downstream. In many ways, it
    > is a label for my ignorance -- for all the things I
    > have to understand about what we need, and about how
    > to provide them. (The difficulty I have in following
    > ontology-related discussions convinces me that the
    > system I understand (the OHS) is unlikely to qualify
    > as a DKR.)
    >
    > [BTW: When I reply to your messages, the automatic
    > quoting feature does not seem to work. Perhaps because
    > it is in HTML form? Or do you use IE, and it is doing
    > something that is incompatible with Netscape's quoting
    > mechansim?]
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