Thanks, Henry. I'll take a look at the book you
But note that "using clues" to "beat the time
dimension" -- i.e. to *anticipate* and act
*in advance*, so that one's reaction time
overlaps the initiation of the opposing action,
rather following it, is precisely a result of
learning and self-organizing.
In other words, athletes *program* themselves
to "react in advance", which totally supports
the central thesis of the paper.
As an example: In my volleyball career, I found
I was much more comfortable at the AA level than
at the B level. Physically, I was never fast
enough to compensate for all the weird places
the ball might go at the C level -- from my own
team, as well as others. But at the AA level, I
could "read" the players. I knew what they
intended to do as they did it, and they had the
skills to carry out their intentions -- so I was
always "comfortable" in a way that I never could
be at at the B level, much less the C level.
Henry van Eyken wrote:
> Just a few quick notes.
> In the process of paying due regard to the larger purpose of Doug's
> technical work, i.e. the solving of large-scale societal conundrums, I
> a need to hastely travel along various byways. Currently that is
> reading a
> 1999 book by John McCrone called "Going Iside" and which provides an
> in neuroscience. I haven't quite gotten halfway yet, but I recognize
> pattern in your argument that corresponds to some of the stuff in the
> The neural system, it appears, has a way of ducking the crucial
> element of
> time. I am just in a part where the author discusses athletic
> By their training athletes have unconsciously come to rely on clues
> beat the "critical dimension of time" mentioned in your Conclusion.
> the chapter, "A moment of anticipation.".) I haven't sunk deep enough
> the subject yet to provide a decent summary, but it looks to me that
> Minsky's "Society of Mind" (1985) and Dennett's "Consciousness
> (1991) are rather dated sources in the fast-moving world neuroscience
> its ongoing upheaval of ideas.
> I kind of suspect that Dennis Hamilton is informed about some of this
> And referring to his post "Collective Intelligence," I was going to
> you to find out from what post of yours he quoted. At any rate, I can
> now where you are coming from.
> My guess is that you may find quite a bit of inspiration in McCrone's
> for a fruitful review of your article. Hope I am not leading you down
> garden path.
> Eric Armstrong wrote:
> > I had planned to work on the KRNL library this
> > weekend, to clean it up some. I didn't get to that.
> > But as a consolation prize, I have a solution to
> > the A/I "frame" problem.
> > Write up at:
> > http://www.treelight.com/essays/darwinframe.html
> > I'm thinking this might be appropriate for Scientific
> > American, or Discovery, or some such layman's guide
> > to science. Anyone have any editorial contacts?
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