"Our intent is to design and implement a basic, organization-oriented
(pop3?) email client that is targeted to assist persons who receive
relatively large quantities of email. In other words, this is for people
who receive more email than God. For further reference, we shall call this
program "Pandora", daring any to test the experimental implementation by
telling this foolish person, "Open this." Pandora will echo Jamie
Zawinski's theoretical "Intertwingle", which can be viewed here."
Found by backlinking the term Interwingle at www.memes.net (Gawd! I love
That led to a page at mozilla about a paper which, itself can also be found
at the "here" link: http://cs.eou.edu/~pandora/intertwingle.html "The
and that's where things get interesting. Here's a Ted Nelson Quote from
``Intertwingularity is not generally acknowledged -- people keep pretending
they can make things deeply hierarchical, categorizable and sequential when
they can't. Everything is deeply intertwingled.''
From the paper:
"Intertwingle can be seen as a unification of a search tool and an address
book. It is not, however, a mail reader. The presentation of query results
could be done through a mail reader, but the intention is that ones choice
of mail reader should be orthogonal to the use of this tool. The two kinds
of tools just happen to operate on the same data.
The design philosophy is that any time there is a visual representation of
an object, the corresponding object should be accessible with a gesture:
That chasing links is easier than composing search terms (but both are
The paper is largely a design discussion for a link database, one which the
author thinks will best be implemented using RDF.
Thanks to google, the Ted Nelson quote was found elsewhere, as for example:
which is about clustering web pages
http://www.wordcircuits.com/htww/morgan1.htm a page in which the quote is
actually not present (probably somewhere on the page source), but is
nevertheless titled: HETEROTOPICS: TOWARDS A GRAMMAR OF HYPERLINKS
In the end, I was unable to find the original quotation. However, all is
not lost. Keep snooping around on that quote and you land on
http://www.jwz.org/bbdb/ which appears to be the same Jamie Zawinski who
used the quote that everybody else eventually used. This web page is about
"The Insidious Big Brother Database"
"BBDB is a rolodex-like database program for GNU Emacs which is tightly
integrated with the Emacs mail and news readers (GNUS, VM, MH-E, and RMAIL.)
If you don't read mail and/or news with Emacs, this is likely of no
interest to you.
The main feature of BBDB is that it sits in the background and ``notices''
things about whatever messages you read (whether those messages are mail or
news.) A window displaying the address-book entry corresponding to the
sender of the current message is always on the screen, unobtrusively. So as
you are reading a message, any additional annotations you have made
(including ones which occurred automatically) will be readily visible as well.
For example, BBDB can automatically keep track of what other topics the
sender has corresponded with you about; when you last read a message from
the sender; what mailing lists their messages came through; and any other
details or automatic annotations you care to add. It also does a good job
of noting when someone's email address has changed.
In practice, you never add an entry to your address book by hand; BBDB does
it for you. What you do is instruct BBDB when and how to annotate things:
``when you see a message like this, annotate the sender like this.'' "
"BBDB embodies that property known as ``intertwingularity.'' If you're
interested in this sort of thing, you might want to read my design for a
program I've called Intertwingle. Intertwingle has yet to actually be
implemented, but the ideas outlined in that design are largely derived from
my experiences with BBDB, so you can think of it as one of BBDB's
hypothetical descendants. "
That project can be found at http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
In the end, I suspect that Intertwingularity is found in the ZigZag
papers. I'll have to check.
Intertwingularity. It's all about links.
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