At 09:11 AM 11/14/2001 -0500, Al wrote: >I studied communication in grad school in the early 80s. In that field, >much of the newer and promising work going on was a reaction *against* a >model of communication as persuasion, which had dominated the field in the >previous decades. Brenda Dervin, for example, contrasted a sensemaking >approach to the persuasion approach. For her, sensemaking is a process >where people confront obstacles or discontinuities in their progress >towards some goal; when they hit such obstacles, they cast about for ways >to understand their situation so that they can design effective movements >around, through, or away from the obstacles. It has little to do with >persuasion and much to do with figuring out what's going on and what to do >in a situation where the normal rules are upset. I don't understand the distinction being made here. If I enjoy a personal sense-making insight into a problem, isn't it even better if I can persuade others of it's value? Conversely, what use is it to try to persuade someone of something that doesn't make any sense to them? Persuasion and sense-making are two facets of the same communication diamond. A good insight or interpretation is inherently persuasive, IMHO. That doesn't imply that the intention of all communication is to persuade ... sometimes we're trying to be persuasive and sometimes we're just trying to find our way around some obstacle. I believe that an implicit goal of collaborative work is to create high levels of shared commitment and ownership (in product, process, etc), and the ability to be persuasive is instrumental in this process. Hence the increasing importance of marketing and political skills, even on "technical" projects. And Jack wrote: >As it turns out, I read TR 74 and was somehow primed for this response, > which also corresponds to my intuition that seeking truth or making sense > cannot and should not involve persuasion. It is for this reason that I > have been thinking that keeping the participants (at least in the non > face-to-face) dialogs anonymous. Anonymity cuts both ways. It can be great for leveling the playing field. But there's also literature to support the view that people rely heavily on the source of a piece of information or viewpoint as an indicator of it's validity. Denied that indicator, they can feel that the system, full of anonymous comments, is too sterile to be useful. Anonymity is a useful tool for certain situations ... but I doubt it can be the norm for effective project work. Jeff -- Dr. Jeff Conklin < CogNexus Institute ... Collaborative Display, Collective Intelligence http://cognexus.org Phone/Fax: 410-798-4495 304 Arbutus Dr., Edgewater, MD 21037 USA