[ba-ohs-talk] Linking to Knowledge Space, Start for Art,Culture Enable a Culture of Knowledge
Henry, (01)
Your letter here begins a very important step asking how perceptions from
something we relate to about "intelligence" (e.g., Cici and Engelbart) aligns
with something (POIMS) that tries to describe a system (SDS) that seems to
augment intelligence. Your effort to cite a specific reference and say "not
sure I get this" is the starting point for advancement. (02)
A possible next step is take each of the elements at the location you cited and
deal with them individually to construct understanding in relation to experience
with SDS on the one hand, experience with one's own tools and work practices,
and with understandings of objectives, visions and paradigms from other sources,
like Cici, Engelbart, et al. (03)
Thanks for the effort, per my earlier letter. (04)
Rod (05)
Henry K van Eyken wrote:
>
> Rod.
>
> I did not really answer your query properly, did I? In SDS you referred to a molecular level.
> Ceci reports on a perception held by some of a central nervous system efficiency that sets
> bounds on a number of microlevel; cognitive processes such as encoding, high-speed scanning,
> storage, transformations. These microlevel processes are generators of macrolevel task
> performances (in psychometry and learning as evidenced by tests).
>
> I am not astute enough or know enough to argue against what you wrote in
>
> http://www.welchco.com/03/00050/01/09/01/02/00030.HTM#0367
>
> Looks fine with me. I am inclined to feel that growing understanding of neural processes will
> give a better insight into the microscale of what you refer to as organic structure; and from
> this the way a story is captured by the brain/mind. see you are groping with story vs data
> [my choice of words].
>
> Very important stuff and I hope that Fleabyte can go into these things at a level that makes
> sense in the context of augmentation. This calls for expert help, though, and I ain't got it!
>
> Henry
>
> Rod Welch wrote:
>
> > Henry,
> >
> > Some follow up on your letter dated 020212 that relates plans to review Stephen
> > Ceci's "On Intelligence: A Bioecological Treatise on IntellectualDevelopment"
> > (Harvard U. Press). You say that Ceci's book is "dead-on." If time permits, can
> > you explain what Ceci says that is "dead-on" about intelligence.
> >
> > This group, as with many others around the world, has wrestled with the
> > "intelligence" issue for several years, beginning with the record on 000120....
> >
> > http://www.welchco.com/sd/08/00101/02/00/01/20/080146.HTM#L330502
> >
> > ...see particularly line 330532 asking about the role of "intelligence."
> >
> > While intelligence is defined in POIMS.....
> >
> > http://www.welchco.com/03/00050/01/09/01/02/00030.HTM#0367
> >
> > ...there has been no other explanation advanced, and no effort to apply POIMS,
> > with the result that there is no progress on KM.
> >
> > Getting a workable explanation of intelligence and other cognitive issues to
> > guide software programming would enable advance beyond information technology to
> > a culture of knowledge. Therefore, it would be helpful to see Cici's ideas.
> >
> > For perspective, many prominent writers and thinkers and countless web pages
> > have been cited by the team, but review always seems to show there is no actual
> > work product that demonstrates any of it is, as you say, "dead-on." Now we seem
> > to have something concrete, so look forward to your comments.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Rod
> >
> > *******************
> >
> > Henry K van Eyken wrote:
> > >
> > > Rod.
> > >
> > > I can't very well fault you for omitting that tiny word "not" when looking back at my
> > > own sloppy writing!
> > >
> > > In re KM, I am digesting "A survey of the real-time economy" in The Economist of Feb. 2,
> > > which you will find on the net at
> > > http://www.economist.com/surveys/displaystory.cfm?story_id=949071
> > >
> > > A worthwhile read, but maybe you Silican Valley guys already know all about that stuff.
> > > It also puts things written about on on this forum in perspective. It keeps on hitting
> > > me how truly personal computing (and with that lifelong education of the digitally
> > > augmented kind) is treated by the industry as a whole as table scraps. Some decades ago,
> > > we used to talk about "organization man"; before that of the "man in the grey flannel
> > > suit." Now look at that picture of modern man in that Economist article. Pretty well
> > > seems to sum up much of modern life: on and off the job.
> > >
> > > There is a small, but, to me, significant error in your page
> > > http://www.welchco.com/sd/08/00101/02/00/11/05/140021.HTM
> > > Not your fault, just a communication error between us. I did not take an advanced degree
> > > in chemistry; just a bachelor's. I had diplomas and some career in chemical technology
> > > as control chemist, resp. control engineer in the pulp and paper indusry. Then went to
> > > Pulp & Paper Magazine of Canada. At age 40 I decided to go back to school to prepare for
> > > teaching. Received a BSc, then a teaching diploma and an M.Ed. Spare-time studies while
> > > teaching at an inner-city college. (I was hired as a college professor two years before
> > > I received my B.Sc.) These data may not be significant, except that it is my overall
> > > upbringing as a child and "educational history" that made me interested in digital
> > > augmentation as soon as I had my first 0.25-K pocket computer. I learned the importance
> > > of environment on educational achievement. As a teenager I was a total failure (war;
> > > irrational home environment), but later, when serving on a radio station in Indonesia, I
> > > borrowed books from a local High School and it took me three months spare time to get my
> > > High School diploma (had some physics and math under the belt, though, but no biology,
> > > history, geography, English, and some other stuff). The environment was just so
> > > stimulating. Same later, when I compressed a five-year program into two before migrating
> > > to Canada. My personal experience was somewhat in conflict with the way I had to view my
> > > role as a college teacher, something hard to understand by people who have grown up
> > > through the system, which is just about everybody. One of the books I want to review for
> > > Fleabyte is Stephen Ceci's "On Intelligence: A Bioecological Treatise on Intellectual
> > > Development" (Harvard U. Press). As far as I am concerned, he is dead-on.
> > >
> > > It is from this background that Doug resonates with me. (Being of about the same age is
> > > also a factor.) Right now, working on Fleabyte is often quite discouraging - little
> > > stimulation from environment - but I sort of feel that the lessons life has taught me
> > > would go to naught if I don't give it a try. Who else is going to perceive its
> > > significance unless I demonstrate it instead of just talk about it.
> > >
> > > Henry
> > >
> > > Rod Welch wrote:
> > >
> > > > Henry,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for drawing attention to an error in my letter on 020209, which said that
> > > > "...intelligence does guarantee success," since this was intended to say that
> > > > "intelligence does not guarantee success," but merely increases the chances of
> > > > success, since, as you know, variables that impact life exceed the capacity of
> > > > any one faculty from guaranteeing anything, under the general rule there are no
> > > > guarantees in human enterprise.
> > > >
> > > > I was a little surprised there is not more support from this venue to report, &c., &c. (06)