Re: [unrev-II] Is "bootstrapping" part of the problem?

From: Eric Armstrong (
Date: Thu Dec 21 2000 - 18:32:24 PST

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    VERY cool stuff.

    I like the fact that the Brazillian schools started out centered
    around music and dance, and grew from there.

    There are strong parallels in the Irish culture,
    at least as far as music and dance. I think the
    Brazillian model is a step ahead, though.

    Anything similar in the Bay Area, do you think?

    Henry van Eyken wrote:
    > Reply to Eric Armstrong about Samba Schools:
    > 10 June 1999
    > Samba BUG
    > Seymour Papert, the man of the language Logo that helps young people
    > to
    > develop their minds by exploring the power of computing, wrote a
    > little book
    > named Mindstorms (Basic Books Inc., 1980). In it, he expressed great
    > admiration for a model of education called samba school. Now, one
    > would
    > think that samba schools are for teaching the high-spirited samba, but
    > that
    > isn't quite so. Although there is a central core of activities of
    > people
    > readying themselves for Brazil's annual carnival by learning how to
    > perfect
    > the dance, the samba school is very much a social and recreational
    > institution as much as it is an educational one. All activities are
    > wrapped
    > into one, without designated teachers ruling the roost. Everybody is a
    > learner. All learn from one another as they socially intermingle and
    > have
    > fun. At any rate, that's how I remember the gist of Papert's writing
    > about
    > the samba school. In Mindstorms, Papert applied the concept to kids
    > and
    > teachers learning by playing with Logo. Together.
    > I checked the net to refresh my memory about the samba school and,
    > sure
    > enough, I found confirmation at a Web-site about the Zumbi Samba
    > School
    > organized by - would you believe it? - the Brazilian community in
    > Washington
    > D.C. This is what the site tells us, "In Brazil, a samba 'school' is
    > more
    > than a place where samba dancing is taught. While they originally
    > began as
    > neighborhood musical and dance groups which competed in pre-Lenten
    > Carnival
    > parades, today Brazilian samba schools have grown into very large
    > organizations which also carry on a variety of social and educational
    > programs. In Brazil's Portuguese language, the term GRES commonly
    > precedes a
    > samba school's name. It is an acronym in Portuguese for gremio
    > recreativo Ú
    > educašo de samba which translates as recreational and educational
    > samba
    > association."
    > Eric Armstrong wrote:
    > > >
    > > Ooh! Ooh!
    > > I want to know more about Samba Schools!!
    > > Being teacher and learner is where it's at!
    > >
    > > The Lark Music Camp is very much like that. Last year,
    > > I taught a class of traditional Irish steps I picked
    > > up in Ireland -- though usually I'm in the music classes
    > > struggling to keep up..
    > > :_)
    > >
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