Re: [unrev-II] Is "bootstrapping" part of the problem?

From: Henry van Eyken (
Date: Mon Jan 08 2001 - 11:25:50 PST

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    Following through on your suggestion, Jack, I might as well begin to collect
    information about sites that appear suitable candidates for a "ring." We could
    create a page on the Bootstrap site with URLs and each one followed by a
    one-paragraph thumbnail of what the site is about and what oomph there is behind

    One can be sure there are hundreds if not thousands of sites and, hence, we
    shall need to classify them, etc. So as to avoid cluttering this forum and the
    Bootstrap site, it might be best if individuals mail me suggested URLs along
    with suitably short, but properly discriminating descriptions in plain, everyday
    vernacular. Then, after sorting and publishing the raw list on a site, a number
    of us may together examine the growing harvest and see how best to take it from


    Jack Park wrote:

    > Henry,
    > Extremely, even passionately realistic, IMHO. For an instance (just one of
    > many) of people doing what you suggest, consider this web site
    > <>
    > as maintained by Bernard Vatant. All of this is certainly in keeping with
    > Doug's vision as expressed in the Unrev-II seminars.
    > What is clear to me is that it is, if nothing else, time to create (if one
    > does not yet exist) a web ring that links all such web sites together.
    > Jack
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Henry van <> Eyken
    > "John J. Deneen" wrote:
    > CoDIAK connections for bootstrapping? ... Facilitated Co-Evolution within
    > our Cyberinfrastructures .... in pursuit "As much as possible, to boost
    > mankind's collective capability for coping with complex, urgent problems."
    > 9A70060AA95
    > <
    > 69A70060AA95>
    > May I suggest bootstrapping the development of OHS/DKR technology in context
    > with Digital Earth (.geo) and Information-In-Place(s), along with testing
    > knowledge management approaches by Cliff Joslyn's Global Brain, Jack Park's
    > Ontology and Topic Maps, and Rod Welch's Schedule Diary System (SDS) for a
    > pilot project proposed by the Western Hemisphere Knowledge Partnership 21?
    > &c
    > Yes, John, as far as I am concerned this is, in principle, an excellent
    > suggestion. A similar idea was taking shape in my mind when experimenting
    > with the Fleabyte pages, see
    > <> :
    > 20 November 1999
    > The seventh day
    > Why not spare, say once a week, a thought for the world at large? Why not
    > periodically interrupt our immediate concerns to sacrifice a moment for the
    > concerns of our larger community? Why not once in awhile look at the whole
    > to better perceive our place in the larger scheme of things? &c
    > You will find on our home page (
    > <> ) a greyed-out menu item called "context." It is
    > intended to include on our site a web magazine that puts Doug's work in the
    > context of that by many of like mind, people who share his ultimate
    > objective.
    > What I am dreaming of is a high-quality publication that serves as an
    > immediary between a literate public and those working in the wide variety of
    > domains that recognize we have sofar only one common spaceship in this
    > universe and it is high time to put an end to, let's call it, "space rage,"
    > which, like air rage should be perceived as a crime. Buckminsyter Fuller
    > used to call it "Spaceship Earth."
    > Such a publication would be maintained by a volunteer staff of suitably
    > proficient people. I perceive a level of quality set by "The Economist" (see
    > <> ), but with these
    > differences:
    > 1. The guiding theme the commonality of resources. I like here Thomas
    > Malony's way of putting it: "The vision is a society in which all of the
    > basic human needs and a fair share of human wants can be met by successive
    > generations while maintaining a healthy, physically attractive, and
    > biologically productive environment." An economics of a slightly different
    > color, so to speak.
    > 2. Replacing their static archibves by a dynamic archival system, a DKR.
    > 3. Put an emphasis on such a publication's experimental, evolutionary
    > character. In fact, I have in mind working it as a research effort in
    > publishing (A, B and C activities all there).
    > At this point we are not short of the "right spirit," nor are we short of
    > top-drawer starting ideas. We could start today as far as I am concerned.
    > Unfortunately, we need the sort of structure and commitment to it that
    > ordinarily only money can put in place. Without that structure and
    > commitment we are nowhere.
    > The first things I am looking for are:
    > 1. Bringing our site up to a higher level of quality in sofar web-publishing
    > standards are concerned.
    > 2. Seeing the issue of "permanence" resolved, i.e. gaining an assurance that
    > this site has a reasonably long-range future.
    > 3. Attracting quality management. I am thinking of volunteers with the
    > required experience and vision capable of attracting journalistic talent and
    > putting the resources we already have to best possible use.
    > Am I being realistic? I can only hope so.
    > Henry
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