Re: [unrev-II] Is "bootstrapping" part of the problem?

From: Jack Park (
Date: Mon Jan 08 2001 - 07:27:02 PST

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    Extremely, even passionately realistic, IMHO. For an instance (just one of
    many) of people doing what you suggest, consider this web site <>
    as maintained by Bernard Vatant. All of this is certainly in keeping with
    Doug's vision as expressed in the Unrev-II seminars.
    What is clear to me is that it is, if nothing else, time to create (if one
    does not yet exist) a web ring that links all such web sites together.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Henry van <> Eyken
    "John J. Deneen" wrote:

    CoDIAK connections for bootstrapping? ... Facilitated Co-Evolution within
    our Cyberinfrastructures .... in pursuit "As much as possible, to boost
    mankind's collective capability for coping with complex, urgent problems."

    May I suggest bootstrapping the development of OHS/DKR technology in context
    with Digital Earth (.geo) and Information-In-Place(s), along with testing
    knowledge management approaches by Cliff Joslyn's Global Brain, Jack Park's
    Ontology and Topic Maps, and Rod Welch's Schedule Diary System (SDS) for a
    pilot project proposed by the Western Hemisphere Knowledge Partnership 21?

    Yes, John, as far as I am concerned this is, in principle, an excellent
    suggestion. A similar idea was taking shape in my mind when experimenting
    with the Fleabyte pages, see
    <> :

    20 November 1999
    The seventh day

    Why not spare, say once a week, a thought for the world at large? Why not
    periodically interrupt our immediate concerns to sacrifice a moment for the
    concerns of our larger community? Why not once in awhile look at the whole
    to better perceive our place in the larger scheme of things? &c

    You will find on our home page (
    <> ) a greyed-out menu item called "context." It is
    intended to include on our site a web magazine that puts Doug's work in the
    context of that by many of like mind, people who share his ultimate

    What I am dreaming of is a high-quality publication that serves as an
    immediary between a literate public and those working in the wide variety of
    domains that recognize we have sofar only one common spaceship in this
    universe and it is high time to put an end to, let's call it, "space rage,"
    which, like air rage should be perceived as a crime. Buckminsyter Fuller
    used to call it "Spaceship Earth."

    Such a publication would be maintained by a volunteer staff of suitably
    proficient people. I perceive a level of quality set by "The Economist" (see <> ), but with these

    1. The guiding theme the commonality of resources. I like here Thomas
    Malony's way of putting it: "The vision is a society in which all of the
    basic human needs and a fair share of human wants can be met by successive
    generations while maintaining a healthy, physically attractive, and
    biologically productive environment." An economics of a slightly different
    color, so to speak.

    2. Replacing their static archibves by a dynamic archival system, a DKR.

    3. Put an emphasis on such a publication's experimental, evolutionary
    character. In fact, I have in mind working it as a research effort in
    publishing (A, B and C activities all there).

    At this point we are not short of the "right spirit," nor are we short of
    top-drawer starting ideas. We could start today as far as I am concerned.
    Unfortunately, we need the sort of structure and commitment to it that
    ordinarily only money can put in place. Without that structure and
    commitment we are nowhere.

    The first things I am looking for are:

    1. Bringing our site up to a higher level of quality in sofar web-publishing
    standards are concerned.

    2. Seeing the issue of "permanence" resolved, i.e. gaining an assurance that
    this site has a reasonably long-range future.

    3. Attracting quality management. I am thinking of volunteers with the
    required experience and vision capable of attracting journalistic talent and
    putting the resources we already have to best possible use.

    Am I being realistic? I can only hope so.


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