[unrev-II] Re: OHS Core Thoughts

From: John J. Deneen (John.Deneen@InfoTelesys.com)
Date: Thu Feb 08 2001 - 15:24:59 PST

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    What is the value proposition?

       * Exponential teams, NICs, etc. by Curtis R. Carlson, CEO at

       * Doug's expansion of the bootstrapping picture, circa 1962:

    More refined conceptualization, from the '92 paper in the Groupware Conference:

    "This was where the term bootstrapping became welded into my continuing
    professional framework. It turns out that there are many choices that we will
    face where balanced consideration of the bootstrapping possibilities can make a
    difference. I place much confidence in the potential payoff from thoughtful
    application of the principles that have evolved from such thinking. 5E"

    - Email excerpt from Doug Engelbart - 12/27/00

    Jack Park wrote:

    > I have put up a pdf file at http://thinkalong.com/ohs/OHS-Core-Thoughts.pdf
    > <http://thinkalong.com/ohs/OHS-Core-Thoughts.pdf>
    > which allows me to discuss what I am thinking using pictures. As discussion
    > progresses, I can make additions and ammendments as necessary. Might even
    > do that by the clone and mutate system so that a permanent, ugly, history is
    > maintained. Not sure why I put a copyright on it, but my thinking is
    > motivated by the idea that all of this should stay within the OHS community
    > until our mission is fully underway. (Heck, it should be possible to paste
    > in commentary in the form of additional slides so readers don't have to jump
    > between there and the Unrev list. OTOH, it should be possible to paste URLs
    > of appropriate discussions right on the slides. Gads. What a concept!
    > The lone chart is a bubble diagram with OHS as the central balloon. Here, I
    > am thinking that the core represents more of an API than a huge investment
    > in software. I am thinking that what software will exist in the core will
    > be that which provides sockets for all the other widgets to plug into.
    > The core should provide services. For instance, I now have one of my topic
    > map engines talking to the Ozone database ( http://www.ozone-db.org
    > <http://www.ozone-db.org> ). That's a pretty nifty java open source
    > database that allows you to store XML classes directly. Thus, I think Ozone
    > becomes a candidate for prototyping a core system.
    > Another service is coupling to a server for web access. Here, we begin to
    > think about the architecture in terms of how one plugs into the core. It
    > seems reasonable to expect that both direct (local network) and internet
    > access is desirable. Thus, the nature of the arcs between bubbles is a kind
    > of socket-like affair in which protocols are established. There are
    > several, not the least of which is SOAP (Simple Object Access Protocol) (
    > http://www.develop.com/soap/ <http://www.develop.com/soap/> ) which is
    > being supported by IBM, MS, and others. Lots of open source software for
    > SOAP. Just a candidate, however. (I am cross posting this. Dumb question:
    > is the OHS-dev list archived in hypermail?)
    > What other services?
    > consider:
    > email handling (lists, etc)
    > forum handling
    > more (remember: doctrine of creeping functionality!)
    > Personally, I'd like to think of the core technology being scalable such
    > that individuals can have their own local copies, and server farms can
    > handle web-based access. It should even be possible to configure the core
    > such that (not illustrated), there can be arcs between cores.
    > Yet another 0.02 Euros.
    > Jack
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