>From: "Flavio Mesquita" <fmsdesign@zaz.com.br>
>To: <Announce@isss.org>
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>First of all, I would like to express my disagreement with any kind of
>relationhip which ends up in at least one of the side as loser. The sad news
>involving the attacks in NY and D.C. is an example of the lack of balance
>that has been creating a lot of deep trouble to this little, globalized
>world. Unfortunately, we, Brazilians are already starting to pay for the
>damage. There was an instant devaluation of Real (our currency), and it's
>still going down. There ins't much that can be done about it. Unemployment
>will rise, and so will all the related social maladies (moral decay, drug
>comsumption, prostitution, etc.). This stupid globalized world will force
>the unprepared countries to deal with the damage so that the rich ones will
>survive. This means that millions of people around the world will pay a very
>high price in order to help the US find some relief. I doubt if the family
>who lost their beloved ones will. I completely disagree with the terrorist
>action. I gave a lot of thought this week about it, and thought of all the
>folks who were there, their friends and families, and all the ones who
>somehow had and/or are having a hard time as a consequence of such an insane
>action. I also thought about the ones who found in hate a way to express
>their pain, their anguish, their fear. Those emotions can be as explosive as
>the bombs that have been daily dropped in Irac. It is indeed a complex
>problem. And the solution must be found within ourselves, not in the enemy.
>By the way, who is the enemy? When I saw the US president saying that the
>government is just waiting for time to have the enemy identified to
>counterattack, and that 94% of the population agrees with the idea of
>declaring war against this still unknown offender, I wonder whether we
>should look first inside ourselves... The Brazilian economy is going crazy,
>and the cause is not recent. There has been a virtual economy going on,
>moved by speculators, which cannot stop. If it does, and it has partially
>happened this last few days, the hole (not the whole) appears. There is a
>design problem to be solved. In my humble opinion, it is not a matter of
>discerning war from peace (or evil from good), but of understanding the
>origins of non-peace, which overwhelms the virgin, creative side of each of
>us. From my own experience dealing with different peoples in Brazil and
>abroad for many years, I have found out that there is very little evil on
>this planet. I mean evil people. There are instead minds and hearts that
>grew obscured by difficulties imposed by few powerful ones, who cannot
>understand the extent of their actions. Some of these leaders might be evil,
>I agree. But most are people who had their hearts and minds affected by pain
>and fear, and use their power erroneously. Even in a supposedly real
>democracy we see people living without peace. In Brazil, for one, we have no
>war, but do not live in peace. It is very delusional to believe in a state
>of freedom that has been granted by someone, for he/she can take it away
>from you anytime he/she finds it admissible, even without your consent. And
>democracy creates this image of freedom. Everyone is free to become whatever
>he/she wants. The lack of peace, love, and understanding, is right there, no
>matter the political regime.
>It is my hope that we will move forward, and reach within and among
>ourselves the intelligence, the love, the understanding, and the peace we
>need to make this planet at least a little better than today.
>Best regards,
>Flavio Mesquita da Silva
>MA. Whole Systems Design
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken Baskin" <bman47@netaxs.com>
>To: "George W. Pasdirtz, Ph.D." <pasdirtz@facstaff.wisc.edu>
>Cc: <Announce@isss.org>; <gianfranco.minati@iol.it>
>Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [announce] solidarity
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> > George,
> >
> > I fear you're being somewhat unrealistic below. All through human history
> > we have remained in a strange attractor in which war and peace alternate.
> > Is another attractor possible? Is so, what is it and what can we do to
> > move toward it? Those are not easy questions to answer.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, George W. Pasdirtz, Ph.D. wrote:
> >
> > > Gianfranco,
> > >
> > > It's so good to hear from you. I miss our discussion at Asilomar!
> > > Once again you go to the heart of the problem: What is a sustainable
> > > response to terrorism? How might a wide range of related government
> > > policy become sustainable? How might the considerable energy of
> > > terrorist organizations be redirected to peace? How do we involve
> > > these organizations as stakeholders? Do they want to be stakeholders?
> > >
> > > Thank You! Only Peace is sustainable.
> > >
> > > >The future must be designed with all the involved
> > > >stakeholders to be sustainable.
> > > >We all have contradictory behavior: let's the positive part be
> > > >predominant."
> > > >
> > > >Peace,
> > > >Gianfranco
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > George W. Pasdirtz, Ph.D.
> > > 1210 W. Dayton Street
> > > University of Wisconsin--Madison
> > > (608) 265-4479
> > > http://axle.doit.wisc.edu/~gwp
> > > mailto:pasdirtz@facstaff.wisc.edu
> > >
> >
> >
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