Albert Selvin wrote:
> Jeff Conklin and others (disclaimer: including me) argue some of this in
> the paper "Facilitated Hypertext for Collective Sensemaking: 15 Years on
> from gIBIS", http://kmi.open.ac.uk/tr/papers/kmi-tr-112.pdf.
Thanks for this paper, Al. Now I know where most of my worries (and clearly
the authoring group's) went - into the facilitator.
> I've started to think that perhaps we need to upgrade the frame of
> reference we use for the skill required to create useful "algebras" for
> collaborative design and decision-making. The toughest part is getting the
> initial real-time 'capture' right.
Could you expand on both these points more, please?
Thanks,
Peter
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Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [unrev-II] Visual stimuli & IBIS methodology
>
> Eric wrote:
>
> >I have to agree that this a weakness of the system. In effect, it asks
> people to learn algebra in order to do what they normally do, but do it
> better. Symbolic logic was intended as a step in that direction, but it
> failed to capture important nuances in useful ways. Our hope with
> computerized systems is that we can do a better job of making important
> relationships apparent to the beholder (or ourselves, when working on a
> hard problem) but it is not clear that we have the mental cycles to do
> that well, even as the beholder -- much less as the author.
> >
>
>
> I agree with much of this, but not that the difficulty of
> learning/practicing IBIS in any of its variants implies a 'weakness of the
> system'. Doing IBIS correctly and effectively, especially in real time in
> front of a group of people, does indeed require practice and mastery. But
> so do many other worthwhile things -- playing a musical instrument,
> learning a sport, writing code.... The fact that playing the guitar, for
> example, requires years of effort doesn't imply that this is a weakness of
> the instrument. You can do powerful stuff with a guitar if you have the
> right (painfully acquired) skills.
>
> Having practiced IBIS and variants for many years, as well as taught and
> mentored many others (as well as seen too many try to adopt it and fail),
> I've started to think that perhaps we need to upgrade the frame of
> reference we use for the skill required to create useful "algebras" for
> collaborative design and decision-making. The toughest part is getting the
> initial real-time 'capture' right. Once the raw material is there in the
> right form, adding value to it with computational and other processes is
> relatively easy. But discerning what is "right" has many dimensions --
what
> is right for that particular group of people, faced with their particular
> task and constraints, with their particular collection of learning and
> discourse styles... It takes a lot of judgement, creativity, experience,
> and skill to determine and apply all these -- just as it does to do the
> right thing in a basketball game or jazz improvisation.
>
> Jeff Conklin and others (disclaimer: including me) argue some of this in
> the paper "Facilitated Hypertext for Collective Sensemaking: 15 Years on
> from gIBIS", http://kmi.open.ac.uk/tr/papers/kmi-tr-112.pdf.
>
>
> Al
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