--- In unrev-II@egroups.com, Rod Welch <rowelch@a...> wrote:
> Great notes.
Yes. That's because Eugene added to it and edited. \ Su-Ling
> This is the beginning of "knowledge management."
> Yee Su Ling wrote:
> > Minutes drafted by Su-Ling and improved by Eugene:
> > OHS Meeting 6/1/2000, SRI Engineering Bldg, EK255
> > Present: Doug Engelbart, Marcello Hoffman, Pat Lincoln, Eugene
> > Eric Armstrong, John Deneen, Warren Stringer, Joe Williams, Tom
> > (conference call), Mary Coppernoll, Su-Ling C. Yee.
> > 1) Pat and Doug related news from their Washington trip.
> > Pat relayed that Werner Schaer (President, Software Productivity
> > Consortium) is in favour of OHS, but SPC will not finance OHS
> > development. However in line with their mission to help member
> > companies, SPC will hold workshops and meetings on using OHS when
> > is ready. Doug noted that Werner is disappointed that Curt
> > (CEO, SRI) is not more proactive. Pat adds that while Curt
> > convinced of the benefit and is a strong supporter of the big
> > there's not been any Institute action. SRI is not a cash rich
> > right now. Curt is also not completely convinced about open
> > Doug, on the other hand, is convinced intuitively about the
> > of open source, but he noted that it would be nice to have facts
> > back up his intuition.
> > 2) Tom Hill, who cofounded EOE with Jim Spohrer, was
> > in, and introduced himself. We promised to e-mail him information
> > about the unrev-ii mailing list, so he could participate in
> > discussions.
> > 3) Doug talked with Marcello (before meeting) and came up with
> > basic vectors to get off the ground:
> > 1. OHS is the foundation
> > 2. Finding an organization that will take over the
> > operational support. An eg of the need for that is
> > groups like the Millenium Project.
> > 3. Building the DKRs.
> > 4. A Fellows program. Inviting people -- executives,
> > HR, etc. -- from other countries and organizations to
> > where these people meet and work on a plan for an
> > building from their experience. Mei Lin Fung, native of
> > Singapore, has spoken with Singapore government who is ready
> > this.
> > Marcello reported that his division will be spinning out from SRI
> > will probably be in a better position as a smaller organization to
> > support this program. He has spoken to division head Bill Gunn
> > this, who has expressed interest, but wants to make sure the
> > are sorted out. Discussion follows about this: fellows have to
> > support themselves, bring something to the table, that it is sure
> > they want to do is build Improvement Infrastructure, there's
> > and it doesn't turn out to be high-tech tourism.
> > 4) Doug spent a day in Washington at the Genova Project. GP is
> > putting together tools and human systems aspect, providing
> > high level decision makers, intelligence, military, policy issues.
> > Doug talked with them about OHS and addressability. They might be
> > able to funnel money to us without any overhead time.
> > 5) Pat notes that there are ways that can get funding from the
> > government, model of sustainable project in SRI terms. For it, he
> > needs a crisp statement of the big goal. A one paragraph
> > the first step in bullets and brief statements, eg. v.1 of
> > OHS. Powerpoint slides are crucial for government funding.
> > Eugene has taken all three summaries that have been done thus far
> > suggests we work on them to produce the statement for Pat.
> > Marcello points out that in marketing, we need to target
> > look for the hook.
> > 6) John suggests a lead: Francis Heylighen who has a cooperative
> > research agreement with Xerox.
> > Eugene observes that there are lots of potential collaborations
> > we're not at that stage yet. Let's email leads to the list so this
> > info will be archived for when we get to that stage.
> > 7) Doug will do an internal seminar for VA Linux. We're currently
> > trying to schedule it in three weeks. On the week of the 15th, he
> > will also present at a workshop organized by SPC that's funded by
> > ARPA.
> > 8) Eugene proposes we move to working on Pat's needs. Because
> > to leave the meeting early, Eugene proposed to table the first
> > paragraph until next week, and talk about the second paragraph --
> > identifying the "first step." Everyone agreed that the key to
> > paragraphs is the audience that is being targeted, which in this
> > is the government, people who may not have even heard of Doug.
> > Doug suggested starting with software development documents,
> > determining the multiple views we'd like to have, and
> > transcoding/translating into that form. Eugene stated that
> > doing this was coming up with an intermediate file format.
> > Eric asked for a description of Augment's data structures. Doug
> > that was easily doable, and promised to put a presentation
> > Marcello asked whether this first step could be demonstratable as
> > early as possible. A demonstration would show the value of what
> > doing, and would pique people's imaginations. Eugene added that
> > high-level use cases will outline what we want to demo.
> > 9) Discussion of setting up demo of Augment and what's needed for
> > it. This serves two purposes: It shows the team its
> > can be used during presentations to others. Doug agreed to set
> > demo for next week's meeting. Eugene and Joe volunteered to help
> > set it up, if he needs it.
> > 10) More general design discussions followed. Doug emphasized the
> > importance of citing e-mail, and his desire to add addressability
> > the current hypermail archive.
> > 11) Summary of the "first step" discussion. Warren noted the
> > advantage of having programmers as target community is that we can
> > attract more programmers to the project. Queries, Directed Graph,
> > Versioning, organizational bodies, audience in terms of
> > bootstrapping.
> > Eugene noted that there are two "first steps." Our own internal
> > "first step" and the "first step" for Pat's audience. We can
> > this latter paragraph next week, when Pat is back.
> > Doug brought up a presentation he is doing for DARPA-funded
> > in two weeks. He's not completely familiar with the audience at
> > workshop, and solicited ideas for what to present to this group.
> > John asked about Collab.net as a possible source of collaboration.
> > Eugene reminded the group that they had met with Brian Behlendorf
> > Collab.net a few weeks ago. There's a lot of synergy, but
> > not likely, because Collab.net is a startup. VA
> > a better shorter term opportunity. However, in both cases, we
> > reach a certain stage before any group takes us seriously. It's
> > important for us to achieve that stage before we can expect
> > general to take us seriously.
> > Doug also brought up a presentation he's doing for Cadence at the
> > of the month. The company wants him to talk about this project.
> > We all agreed that having demos ready as soon as possible is a
> > internal first step. Augment should serve as an initial demo, but
> > Marcello noted that we need to have more visually exciting demos.
> > Augment is so fast, it can be hard to follow what's going on
> > full concentration. Talked about mocking up demos, and proposed
> > various ways of doing this.
> > Warren proposes we have a show and tell, a presentation of what
> > in the team would like to do.
> > 12) Joe said that he'd put together an initial glossary, but said
> > in order to do so, he wanted the group to contribute initial
> > Doug said to start with XML and XML-related terms. Eugene
> > "transcoding" and "translating."
> > Doug said that if he received a copy of the glossary early
> > would suck it into Augment, and show how Augment aided the
> > collaborative development of glossaries.
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