Re: [ba-unrev-talk] Where is Kananaskis?
> Anyway, this is germane to unrev-ohs. The bureaucracies you love drive
> rigid, controlling information structures by nature and definition.
That's
> bad. (01)
It depends on what they are for, and one's point of view.
For example, for someone who is presently incapable of working
full-time owing to illness a boost to income from the welfare state
might be mean the difference between salvation and starvation.
Without the tax-gathering bureaucracy a welfare state wouldn't be
possible.
Could one rely on the 'free people' for that kind of support.
And I suspect most people are pretty glad that the tax structure is
fairly immobile in most key respects - e.g. taxes aren't levied
according to a landlord's personal whims any more. (02)
It seems to me that most of the institutions of government in a healthy
democracy have a good reason for being there - to balance peace against
personal liberty.
(And maybe that's tougher in a nation full of unlicenced armaments.) (03)
There's a lot to be lost by rolling the scheme of things back to
a Hobbesian State of Nature.
Alternative: "The Unfinished Reform", anyone? (04)
> Meta-government aka empire is intrinsically wicked. (05)
In what sense did you intend that?
(I'm reminded of the "What have the Romans ever done for us?"
skit in Monty Python's Life of Brian. "The aqueducts, the roads, the
sewers, better medicine, ...)
It's true that some past implementations of the concept have
left a lot to be desired on the ethical front, but does that rule out
the idea
for the future given new technologies and new socio-political
structures? (06)
--
Peter (07)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Maloney" <jtmalone@pacbell.net>
To: <ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: RE: [ba-unrev-talk] Where is Kananaskis? (08)
>
> Chris,
>
> It is interesting/fun to examine different POVs in the context of the
> Unfinished "Revolution." IMO, levity and observation are the principal
> values...
>
> Meanwhile,
>
> >World Government sounds appropriate too, if properly implemented
(that
> >is, implemented with knowledge and intelligence, generally lacking in
> >most schemes).
>
> Nice back door on that statement.
>
> Meta-government aka empire is intrinsically wicked.
>
> Humans are a tribal beast. We are hard-wired for proximate control and
> community. 99% of human physiological and evolutionary development has
been
> in small groups and with close-in, local interaction and concern. It
is the
> essential nature of the biology of the human brain. This fact will
remain
> for some time to come....
>
> If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and so forth.
>
> Every single empire in human history has been destroyed by war, fire
and
> death. It is a concept that simply doesn't work.
>
> Why is empire so seductive when its acolytes like you and the G8, EU,
UN,
> etc., all know it will ultimately and painfully fail?
>
> Some guys got it right a while back as follow:
>
> "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor
> prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
respectively, or
> to the people."
>
> The 10thy is undersubscribed by most, but of critical importance to
all.
>
> As Andy Grove said, "Only the paranoid survive."
>
> Anyway, this is germane to unrev-ohs. The bureaucracies you love drive
> rigid, controlling information structures by nature and definition.
That's
> bad. OHS architectures must focus on the individual, small groups and
> community, since for now, that's the way things work. That's good.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> -jtm
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org
> [mailto:owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org]On Behalf Of
> cdent@burningchrome.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:09 PM
> To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org
> Subject: RE: [ba-unrev-talk] Where is Kananaskis?
>
>
>
> Oh screw it, I can't resist. It's amazing what happens when people you
> think you agree with start talking about politics.
>
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, John Maloney wrote:
>
> > Here is another 'Good One' (ha-ha-ha) on The Republic's slippery
slope to
> > oblivion.
> >
> > "-- Federal appeals court (9th Circuit) rules Pledge of Allegiance
> > unconstitutional because of words 'under God,' according to The
Associated
> > Press."
>
> That sounds appropriate.
>
> > These judges are on the fast-track to ambassadors of World
Government.
>
> World Goverment sounds appropriate too, if properly implemented (that
> is, implemented with knowledge and intelligence, generally lacking in
> most schemes).
>
> Knowledge management and creation will surely be helped by the removal
> of religion and artificial boundaries akin to that of the nation
> state?
>
> *duck*
>
> --
> Chris Dent <cdent@burningchrome.com>
http://www.burningchrome.com/~cdent/
> "Mediocrities everywhere--now and to come--I absolve you all! Amen!"
> -Salieri, in Peter Shaffer's Amadeus
>
> (09)