Re: [unrev-II] Eric's Summary [edited]

From: Jack Park (
Date: Tue Apr 25 2000 - 09:05:46 PDT

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    Folks, I am beginning to see a bifurcation emerging. There's the group that
    is pressing on with use cases, licenses, and so forth -- all extremely
    important, as Eric correctly points out, and there is the group that appears
    to want to steer the discussion closer to the suggestions placed before us
    by Doug.

    I personally favor both activities.

    But, there is the problem of agendas at the meetings we have with Doug once
    each week. It is my opinion that our time with Doug is necessarily limited
    (owing strictly to the once per week frequency of meetings) and we really
    need to take maximal advantage of that time. Thusly, I would suggest that
    meeting agendas be limited to those activities that Doug suggests --
    specifically, his "vector" notions, coupled perhaps with review of
    developments that evolve out here in the open.

    A while back, Eric asked me for suggestions regarding development of use
    cases. I replied with something akin to a 10-point sequence, which he has
    ignored. Ignoring my suggestion poses absolutely no problem for me, but I
    am frustrated that the development of use cases still appears to be one of a
    shotgun blast of ideas.

    Speaking perhaps only for myself, I am of the opinion that a bit more
    discipline is needed; structure is never fun, but it does lead to a useful
    approach to software design. Doug Lenat, writing about his program Eurisko,
    once observed that it is frequently valuable to spend time planning before
    actually doing.

    From: Peter P. Yim <>

    > Well said, Adam. I second that. -ppy
    > ===
    > Adam Cheyer wrote Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:10:26 -0700 :
    > >
    > > Here's what I came up with (before looking at other suggestions):
    > >
    > > We are building an "Open Hyperdoc System", an open-source framework
    > > for the distributed management and interconnection of documents
    > > (using the "large" definition of documents as a representation of
    > > any computer-represented media), under the guidance and following
    > > the vision of Doug Engelbart, incorporating where possible "modern"
    > > Internet standards and technologies.
    > >
    > > I feel pretty strongly that Doug's name should appear in the "mission
    > > statement", and that the high-priority purpose of our group is follow
    > > his lead and vision, since he is the one who brought us together.
    > > Are we listening closely enough to Doug's experience and wishes?
    > >
    > > -- Adam.
    > >
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