Re: [unrev-II] 6/1/2000 OHS minutes

From: Rod Welch (
Date: Thu Jun 08 2000 - 11:20:09 PDT

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    Great notes.

    This is the beginning of "knowledge management."


    Yee Su Ling wrote:
    > Minutes drafted by Su-Ling and improved by Eugene:
    > OHS Meeting 6/1/2000, SRI Engineering Bldg, EK255
    > Present: Doug Engelbart, Marcello Hoffman, Pat Lincoln, Eugene Kim,
    > Eric Armstrong, John Deneen, Warren Stringer, Joe Williams, Tom Hill
    > (conference call), Mary Coppernoll, Su-Ling C. Yee.
    > 1) Pat and Doug related news from their Washington trip.
    > Pat relayed that Werner Schaer (President, Software Productivity
    > Consortium) is in favour of OHS, but SPC will not finance OHS
    > development. However in line with their mission to help member
    > companies, SPC will hold workshops and meetings on using OHS when it
    > is ready. Doug noted that Werner is disappointed that Curt Carlson
    > (CEO, SRI) is not more proactive. Pat adds that while Curt remains
    > convinced of the benefit and is a strong supporter of the big vision,
    > there's not been any Institute action. SRI is not a cash rich place
    > right now. Curt is also not completely convinced about open source.
    > Doug, on the other hand, is convinced intuitively about the importance
    > of open source, but he noted that it would be nice to have facts to
    > back up his intuition.
    > 2) Tom Hill, who cofounded EOE with Jim Spohrer, was teleconferenced
    > in, and introduced himself. We promised to e-mail him information
    > about the unrev-ii mailing list, so he could participate in
    > discussions.
    > 3) Doug talked with Marcello (before meeting) and came up with four
    > basic vectors to get off the ground:
    > 1. OHS is the foundation
    > 2. Finding an organization that will take over the organizational
    > operational support. An eg of the need for that is international
    > groups like the Millenium Project.
    > 3. Building the DKRs.
    > 4. A Fellows program. Inviting people -- executives, technical,
    > HR, etc. -- from other countries and organizations to participate,
    > where these people meet and work on a plan for an organization,
    > building from their experience. Mei Lin Fung, native of
    > Singapore, has spoken with Singapore government who is ready to do
    > this.
    > Marcello reported that his division will be spinning out from SRI and
    > will probably be in a better position as a smaller organization to
    > support this program. He has spoken to division head Bill Gunn about
    > this, who has expressed interest, but wants to make sure the logistics
    > are sorted out. Discussion follows about this: fellows have to
    > support themselves, bring something to the table, that it is sure what
    > they want to do is build Improvement Infrastructure, there's alignment
    > and it doesn't turn out to be high-tech tourism.
    > 4) Doug spent a day in Washington at the Genova Project. GP is
    > putting together tools and human systems aspect, providing support for
    > high level decision makers, intelligence, military, policy issues.
    > Doug talked with them about OHS and addressability. They might be
    > able to funnel money to us without any overhead time.
    > 5) Pat notes that there are ways that can get funding from the
    > government, model of sustainable project in SRI terms. For it, he
    > needs a crisp statement of the big goal. A one paragraph statement of
    > the first step in bullets and brief statements, eg. v.1 of
    > OHS. Powerpoint slides are crucial for government funding.
    > Eugene has taken all three summaries that have been done thus far and
    > suggests we work on them to produce the statement for Pat.
    > Marcello points out that in marketing, we need to target individuals,
    > look for the hook.
    > 6) John suggests a lead: Francis Heylighen who has a cooperative
    > research agreement with Xerox.
    > Eugene observes that there are lots of potential collaborations but
    > we're not at that stage yet. Let's email leads to the list so this
    > info will be archived for when we get to that stage.
    > 7) Doug will do an internal seminar for VA Linux. We're currently
    > trying to schedule it in three weeks. On the week of the 15th, he
    > will also present at a workshop organized by SPC that's funded by
    > ARPA.
    > 8) Eugene proposes we move to working on Pat's needs. Because Pat had
    > to leave the meeting early, Eugene proposed to table the first
    > paragraph until next week, and talk about the second paragraph --
    > identifying the "first step." Everyone agreed that the key to both
    > paragraphs is the audience that is being targeted, which in this case
    > is the government, people who may not have even heard of Doug.
    > Doug suggested starting with software development documents,
    > determining the multiple views we'd like to have, and
    > transcoding/translating into that form. Eugene stated that central to
    > doing this was coming up with an intermediate file format.
    > Eric asked for a description of Augment's data structures. Doug said
    > that was easily doable, and promised to put a presentation together.
    > Marcello asked whether this first step could be demonstratable as
    > early as possible. A demonstration would show the value of what we're
    > doing, and would pique people's imaginations. Eugene added that the
    > high-level use cases will outline what we want to demo.
    > 9) Discussion of setting up demo of Augment and what's needed for
    > it. This serves two purposes: It shows the team its capabilities, and
    > can be used during presentations to others. Doug agreed to set up a
    > demo for next week's meeting. Eugene and Joe volunteered to help Doug
    > set it up, if he needs it.
    > 10) More general design discussions followed. Doug emphasized the
    > importance of citing e-mail, and his desire to add addressability to
    > the current hypermail archive.
    > 11) Summary of the "first step" discussion. Warren noted the
    > advantage of having programmers as target community is that we can
    > attract more programmers to the project. Queries, Directed Graph,
    > Versioning, organizational bodies, audience in terms of
    > bootstrapping.
    > Eugene noted that there are two "first steps." Our own internal
    > "first step" and the "first step" for Pat's audience. We can work out
    > this latter paragraph next week, when Pat is back.
    > Doug brought up a presentation he is doing for DARPA-funded workshop
    > in two weeks. He's not completely familiar with the audience at that
    > workshop, and solicited ideas for what to present to this group.
    > John asked about as a possible source of collaboration.
    > Eugene reminded the group that they had met with Brian Behlendorf of
    > a few weeks ago. There's a lot of synergy, but funding is
    > not likely, because is a startup. VA Linux/SourceForge is
    > a better shorter term opportunity. However, in both cases, we need to
    > reach a certain stage before any group takes us seriously. It's
    > important for us to achieve that stage before we can expect groups in
    > general to take us seriously.
    > Doug also brought up a presentation he's doing for Cadence at the end
    > of the month. The company wants him to talk about this project.
    > We all agreed that having demos ready as soon as possible is a good
    > internal first step. Augment should serve as an initial demo, but
    > Marcello noted that we need to have more visually exciting demos.
    > Augment is so fast, it can be hard to follow what's going on without
    > full concentration. Talked about mocking up demos, and proposed
    > various ways of doing this.
    > Warren proposes we have a show and tell, a presentation of what people
    > in the team would like to do.
    > 12) Joe said that he'd put together an initial glossary, but said that
    > in order to do so, he wanted the group to contribute initial terms.
    > Doug said to start with XML and XML-related terms. Eugene suggested
    > "transcoding" and "translating."
    > Doug said that if he received a copy of the glossary early enough, he
    > would suck it into Augment, and show how Augment aided the
    > collaborative development of glossaries.
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