Re: [unrev-II] Recommendations??

From: Henry K van Eyken (
Date: Thu Oct 04 2001 - 02:51:57 PDT

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    Dumb me. What are RFCs? Just guessing: Recommeded For Consideration?


    Eugene Eric Kim wrote:

    > I'd make two recommendations. I think it's great that people send out
    > interesting links and articles, and while I agree with Eric that it's
    > fairly overwhelming on this list, I think that's fine. If you have the
    > time to follow the link and discover something useful in the process, more
    > power to you. If you don't have time to follow the links, you're no worse
    > off than you were before.
    > I do think that we can do a better job of organizing the links from
    > archived e-mails in a useful way. One solution, which has nice synergy
    > with OHS development, is to create a localized back-link database from all
    > of the e-mails posted to this list. The result would be something similar
    > to the DayPop site that Alex brought to our attention (which,
    > incidentally, I think is brilliant).
    > To address Eric's main gripe, however, I'd propose a non-technical
    > solution that, ironically enough, has its roots in Doug's lab 30 years
    > ago: RFCs. If you'd like to bring something to people's attentions, just
    > post it to the list. If you'd really like people to pay attention to
    > something, put together an RFC.
    > In the past few years, many open source communities have adopted this
    > practice. In the Tcl community, all sorts of people would post all sorts
    > of ideas and recommendations about features and so forth, and it was
    > impossible for Ousterhout and others to treat all of these ideas equally.
    > So the community developed TIPs -- Tcl Improvement Proposals.
    > If you want to propose a feature, you write a TIP, and submit it. If
    > accepted, the TIP gets assigned an ID, and is published under version
    > control. There is a format for writing TIPs, and a procedure for
    > discussing and voting on TIPs. TIPs are a wonderful mechanism for
    > focusing attention and separating the wheat from the chaff. It's a good
    > example of using formalisms when you're ready to use them.
    > Other open source communities have adopted this practice, to good effect.
    > Perl 6 development is a wonderful example of these RFC-style proposals in
    > action.
    > I think that we can use RFCs in our own community to good effect. For
    > instance, many people in our community (including myself) believe that we
    > should use a Groves-like architecture for the OHS. Jack has proposed an
    > XTM-style API for manipulating information in the OHS. Other people have
    > made very legitimate proposals, but the attention that these proposals
    > have attracted has varied.
    > I think the best way to draw more serious attention to these types of
    > proposals is for their advocates to put together RFCs. We could appoint a
    > librarian and develop our own procedures for creating, submitting, and
    > discussing RFCs, modeled closely after other communities' procedures.
    > -Eugene
    > --
    > +=== Eugene Eric Kim ===== ===== ===+
    > | "Writer's block is a fancy term made up by whiners so they |
    > +===== can have an excuse to drink alcohol." --Steve Martin ===========+
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