Re: [unrev-II] Intrinsic and Extrinsic Ratings wrt IBIS

From: Peter Jones (ppj@concept67.fsnet.co.uk)
Date: Wed Oct 31 2001 - 14:36:17 PST

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    And possibly, speeding consensus development yields proportional poverty of
    knowledge capture for storage for later viewing/auditing.

    Peter

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    From: "Peter Jones" <ppj@concept67.fsnet.co.uk>
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    Subject: Re: [unrev-II] Intrinsic and Extrinsic Ratings wrt IBIS

    > Adding scoped weightings sounds v. interesting.
    >
    > Eric Armstrong wrote:
    > > Thinking about it, those observations capture the notion of
    > > :"intrinsic" vs. "extrinsic" (project-relative) rankings.
    >
    > But adding more thought to the pile, it seems to me that, as you say, the
    > evaluation criteria are crucial. So perhaps there aren't just intrinsic
    and
    > extrinsic rankings really, but a morass of weighting dimensions depending
    on
    > the range of sets of criteria involved.
    >
    > Perhaps that's why IBIS doesn't do that. It's a deliberate limitation to
    > speed consensus development. (?)
    >
    > Peter
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Eric Armstrong" <eric.armstrong@sun.com>
    > To: <unrev-II@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:22 PM
    > Subject: [unrev-II] Intrinsic and Extrinsic Ratings wrt IBIS
    >
    >
    > > Good questions.
    > >
    > > In the textual representation I keep for design documents,
    > > there is a more less equal "weight" of the symbols:
    > > +: This is a thought that favors the idea
    > > -: This is a thought that discourages it.
    > >
    > > However:
    > > a) It is good to be able to record thoughts without
    > > determining in advance if they are for or against,
    > > and have the ability to decide that later.
    > >
    > > b) You are absolutely right that the content of a single
    > > item can outweigh a whole flock of others. There
    > > is no good way to cature that idea that I have seen
    > > so far.
    > >
    > > In part, I think that is a "background" thing, that depends
    > > in large part on your evaluation heuristics -- what you
    > > consider important. So this structure:
    > > i: An idea
    > > +: Produces an efficient implementation
    > > -: Doesn't have a very good interface.
    > >
    > > Produces a huge negative that totally outweighs the positive
    > > if you are an interface specialist or if you are designing a
    > > product in which the interface is crucial. On other hand,
    > > the positive totally blows away the negative if you are a
    > > performance specialist or building a batch-mode system
    > > that will be configured once and run a million times
    > > thereafter.
    > >
    > > Thinking about it, those observations capture the notion of
    > > :"intrinsic" vs. "extrinsic" (project-relative) rankings. A bubble
    > > sort has a + in that it is fast to code, and a negative in that it is
    > > inefficient for large amounts of unsorted data. Those are "intrinsic"
    > > evalations -- truisms that stand unchanged, regardless of
    > > circumstances.
    > >
    > > When making the decision as to which sort to implement
    > > for a particlar project, however, those rankings need to
    > > "feed into" the evaluation criteria, using either a verbal or
    > > automated equivalent of:
    > > 1) This is a quick and dirty, one-time program, so
    > > a bubble sort is great. (Big weighting on the plus.)
    > > or
    > > 2) This is something that will run for years on very
    > > large sets of data, so a bubble sort is really not a
    > > good idea (Big weighting on the negative).
    > >
    > > The intrinsic ratings represent "knowledge" -- things to
    > > know about bubble sort, in addition to the mechanics of
    > > constructing one.
    > >
    > > The extrinsic weightings, represent the product of intrinsic
    > > ratings relative to the project's design criteria -- the principles
    > > used to make selections among competing design alternatives.
    > >
    > > I suspect that many an IBIS-style conversation could be
    > > improved by clearly distinguishing the two kinds of
    > > information.
    > >
    > >
    > >
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