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[ba-unrev-talk] Whither ba-unrev?

Henry as he often does, hits the nail upon the head.    (01)

How could we realistically proceed to broaden adoption of Doug's ideas?    (02)

Unrev is a discussion group supported by Bootstrap volunteers in an
effort to do just that.    (03)

Doug is flying to Washington DC to talk to the folks at the GSA about
his ideas and to participate in the Patent Office's 200th birthday
celebrations next week.    (04)

Dorai and Doug are working on a Hyperscope prototype.    (05)

We are also working on user scenarios for how a hyperscope might make a
difference for a knowledge worker or group of knowledge workers.    (06)

How could you, as an individual work out what it is you want to do, or
are willing to do to help in the cause?    (07)

There is no paid organization. Just volunteers.    (08)

How could this discussion group organize itself so that those who want
to do x, can talk about x and those who want to do Y, can talk about Y.
Yet have some way to peek over at the other groups to see what they are
up to?    (09)

What small step could we take today? Is John Maloney's suggestion about
Groove something we should consider, as a way to facilitate forward
motion beyond talk? We don't have to stop at Groove,.... we could start
from Groove.    (010)

Or a better place.     (011)

But let's start. And when Matt's stuff and Chris's stuff is ready, we
can work out where next to go. And if we get the Hyperscope prototype
working, we'll roll it out here too.    (012)

Mei Lin    (013)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org
[mailto:owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org] On Behalf Of Henry K van
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:16 AM
To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org
Subject: Re: [ba-unrev-talk] Ozzie's Blogs    (014)

John.    (015)

Your post, Jack's recent wondering about WYSIWYG's foothold, my struggle    (016)

with making Linux work for me efficiently ... all these impress upon me 
that realism is idealism's heaviest burden.    (017)

Henry    (018)

John Maloney wrote:    (019)

> Hi -
> I've been trying to follow the threads in this group recently and they    (020)

> seem to have less and less to do with advancing augmentation, 
> collective IQ, the Bootstrap Alliance and Doug's vision. Rather, there    (021)

> seems to be more and more sad existentialism and useless
> It would be great to get this listserv back on track. For starters, it    (022)

> makes sense to look at one of the hottest, on-going innovators in this    (023)

> space today, Ray Ozzie. 
> http://ozzie.net/blog/
> I know that Ray and his current brainchild, Groove Networks, has been 
> dismissed out-of-hand by this group before because it is not open 
> source. (?) That sort of arrogance is inappropriate in the face of 
> true innovation. 
> Groove Networks embodies more of the principles of this group than 
> anything that has been offered up. To discharge their monumental 
> achievements and consistent flow of collaborative innovations because 
> of some ephemeral platform concern is inconsistent with the spirit of 
> this group and its advancement. 
> Also, I have had two outstanding reports this week from university 
> professors running Groove using Virtual PC 5.0 (and 4.0).  It loads 
> fast and brings the Macintosh community on board. For the Linux/Unix 
> community, there is, of course,  PopG --
> http://www.popg.co.uk/
> Does anyone else find it ironic that a supposedly future-focused group    (024)

> like unrev uses something as old fashioned as listserv and 
> fundamentally resists innovation? It is hard to explain. While Doug 
> provided most of what we take for granted in interactive computing 
> today, unrev seems determined not to recognize stunning innovations 
> that are making Doug's true vision tangible and brining it 
> to spectacular fruition.
> Ironically, the major shakeout in the collaborative technology space 
> is significant acknowledgement of the viability of Doug's principles 
> and a sign that they are going mainstream in a big way. My concern is 
> that unrev may be left behind, bobbing in the wake of true 
> socio-technical innovation and capabilities excellence.
> As they say, a rising tide lifts all boats, and Groove Networks 
> appears to be just the gravitational pull unrev needs.
> -jtm
>      (025)