Re: [unrev-II] Moving beyond the web...

From: Jon Winters (
Date: Wed May 03 2000 - 15:27:41 PDT

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    On Wed, 3 May 2000, Jack Park wrote:

    > It is worth considering such a move. But, there should, in the case of a
    > DKR, be a central repository to which all the scattered nodes synch
    > periodically. Remember, we're not about sharing files; rather we are about
    > sharing knowledge. Knowledge accretion is a community effort that cannot
    > stop when somebody is offline for one reason or another.

    I'm not suggesting that there will not be some big powerhouse computer
    that is always connected storing most or all of our data, I'm just
    suggesting that it does this running the same software that all the little
    guys use.

    The Guntella kids have some compelling arguments against the gigantic
    single point of failure that would be the uberserver. (Yahoo being taken
    down by a ping-flood attack for example)

    Its also far less expensive to do things Gnutella style. We're all
    servers and data moves around where it is needed most!


    > From: Jon Winters <>
    > >
    > > In addition to everything else we have been beating about I would like to
    > > suggest that we consider a move away from a centralized server and a move
    > > in the direction of "every client is a server too"
    > >
    > > Two other open source projects that I'm using have this model and it is
    > > very exciting. Gnutella and OpenVerse. The Gnutella site does a good job
    > > of explaining how it works. (Guntella is an emerging protocol that we
    > > might want to look at)
    > >
    > > Even if we don't use it the project is interesting to look at. Check the
    > > "about" info here:
    > >
    > d=118398&pageId=118400
    > >
    > > OpenVerse is another project that combines the client and server:
    > >
    > >
    > > It shipps with the server turned off but its easy enough for folks to
    > > configure and activate.
    > >
    > > Both of theese projects are also developed and maintained by folks who
    > > have not quit their day jobs. (or in some cases, not old enough to have a
    > > day job) Gnutella was started by some folks from Nullsoft an AOL owned
    > > company. None of the original developers are working on the Gnutella
    > > project.
    > >
    > > OpenVerse was started by a dude who read about a fictional online
    > > environment in a book, Snow Crash by Neil Stephenson. This guy liked the
    > > idea so much that he set out to develop it and turn science fiction into
    > > reality.
    > >
    > > I've finished building my new powerhouse dual processor linux box and I'll
    > > be launching a couple of OpenVerse rooms soon. (possibly tonight) One of
    > > them will be an Unrev Lounge to meet and discuss things in a less formal
    > > environment. I'll let you know when its up and running.
    > >
    > > Cheers!
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