I guess the problem I have with Ozzie's description is to know what he means
by a shared space. If I understand the architectural snag discussion right,
I can rephrase the question as how to best support collaborative creation of
knowledge which is what a shared space should support, in my view. I don't
believe that Groove supports that right now since it seems to be, as Paul
said, a P2P Notes. This makes it a discussion space not a collaborative
shared space.
Gil
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Fernhout [mailto:pdfernhout@kurtz-fernhout.com]
Sent: mercredi, 25. octobre 2000 16:05
To: unrev-II@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [unrev-II] Ray Ozzie's Groove software
Paul Fernhout wrote:
> Boast: For 0.1% of that cost ($60,000)
> using Squeak I could outclass it in one year with an open system.
Let me revise my boast if I may. The hardest part of a peer-to-peer
system to implement is the comprehensive end-to-end security, and Groove
claims to have done that well and transparently. I think that is their
most significant achievement, and on reflection I can't guarantee I
could do that by myself in a short time frame. I could imagine that
taking much more work and the participation of several knowledgeable
security people. However, I still feel Squeak together with the Pointrel
Data Repository System gives me pretty much everything else to be as
good or better than Groove -- platform independence, integrated
development tools, networking support, and an integrated knowledgebase.
The issue is mainly putting the pieces together well as an extensible
end-user application / environment and dealing with some of Squeak's
blemishes.
So, my revised boast (less time, less deliverable): for 0.1% of the $60M
investment in Groove ($60,000) using Squeak and the Pointrel Data
Repository System I could outclass Groove in six months with an open
system that is not as secure end-to-end. That is less time than one year
because I would drop the pretense of security beyond passwords and
perhaps some weak in-transit encryption (and not encrypt the hard disk
contents). However, I think such a system would be adequate for most
needs as it would provide security equal to or greater than the level we
are used to now with email, and would provide a far higher level of
integration for group knowledge management.
-Paul Fernhout
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