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RE: [ba-unrev-talk] An approach to a simpler truth.

Funny, I just forwarded your note to an associate, remarking that    (01)

"There are some rich personal journeys that we see glimpses of on
ba-unrev-talk also.    (02)

"I found this very touching.  It resonates with the training and development
[that my wife and I have taken on and] it has a lot of heart and personal
courage in it."    (03)

So maybe you didn't say it as perfectly as you would like.  I think your
humanity shows through, just the same, and we get to know in this passing, a
little more of who you and Eric are, in your lives and for the world.    (04)

Maybe something to add here is    (05)

	"Find an empowering interpretation in what you hear and what is happening."    (06)

Thanks for the note, and thanks for your humility,    (07)

-- Dennis    (08)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org
[mailto:owner-ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org]On Behalf Of Gerald Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 00:24
To: ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org
Subject: Re: [ba-unrev-talk] An approach to a simpler truth.    (09)

Just read what I said.  Can't decide which is worse, my pettiness or
my arrogance    (010)

Gerald Pierce wrote:
> Eric Armstrong wrote:
>>> If you are pampering yourself spending your money on a lot of
>>> "things" there is a good chance that you don't really know who you
>>> are! You speak like you DO know.  So tell me.
>> Ah. Past tense. It is only the recent realization of who I really am
>> that it made it clear how much I was pampering myself. Before that,
>> every option was equally valid. Now, some clearly align, while others
>> don't. (More on that in a future post.)
>>> With regard to all the "if only's, that is a really tough fight.
>>> a more powerful approach would be to offer "charming deceptions" that
>>> would provide forces and tools to assist people in waking up.
>> Sounds like a good description of something that would work.
>> Know of any somethings that fit the description?
> If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.
> If I told you, I whould have to kill you.
> Here is an experiment you can try that may get you pointed in
> a fruitful direction direction.  The next time you are in really bad
> vibe traffic and you are feeling hateful and uncooperative, help where
> you can and by your actions promote harmony.  After you have done this
> for a bit, check out how you are feeling.  You could arrive at your
> destination in rush-hour traffic feeling refreshed, empowered and living
> a life less wasted.
>> I've long been intrigued by the notion of finding a rationalization
>> for doing good to others that *wasn't* based on religion. Such
>> a thing could go a long way to reduce religious prejudice, as well
>> as the worst of captialism. Equilibrium theory holds promise...
> I think that a system based on beliefs rather than observation is in
> trouble right from the start.  People learn to believe and accept on faith
> such things as "and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who
> trespass against us"  The actual words remain unexamined.  A good test
> is to ask yourself, what thoughts and actions aid my digestion?  For me
> it turns out that I won't allow myself to be forgiven UNTIL I forgive
> others.  There may or may not be GOD, but this truth remains and sheds
> light on what it is to be human.  I am open, however, to meeting someone
> for whom this is not true.
>  A non-religious "do unto others" would make a big dent...
> p.s. If you really want to know, sleep outside of the gates for a while.
>    (011)