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Re: [ba-unrev-talk] Re: Corporate Morality

Familiar afflictions, it seems.    (01)

Flipping to the good side...
Does anyone here _not_ have a tale of woe of the decline and fall of company X?
I would be interested to hear tales of companies that have worked well.    (02)

Peter    (03)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Pierce" <g_pierce@pacbell.net>
To: <ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ba-unrev-talk] Re: Corporate Morality    (04)

> I LOVE that statement.  TRUE Bootstrapping!  “Clearly I'm
> having a bad brain day.”     ROFL.  Maybe we can rope Douglas
> Hofstadter into the newsgroup.
> By the by, I've been meaning to ask you, Peter.  Were you ever
> involved in radio plays?
> With regards to corporate morality, I worked for 12 years with a
> semiconductor equipment company.  During that time this
> particular company went from pretty darn good to ,well, a
> substantial degree less than good as they made their way to
> become the #1 supplier in their field.  It is amazing to me that so
> many good people working in a group could come to such a
> miserable state.
> First of all, everyone is pushed to his or her limits and the Peter
> Principle comes into play.  All you need is to have one division VP
> who is a good manager, but never the less, at his limits.  He is
> unable to digest all the info and relies on a shallow knowledge of
> how things are going.  This is a situation ripe for a politically adept
> person or persons at the next level down to take immoral actions
> with his group and with his co-managers.  Co-managers respond in
> kind in attempt to protect themselves and soon the whole division
> is poisoned.  Productivity falls and creativity are diverted to spin
> doctoring rather than problem solving.  Talent goes into shifting
> blame and other dark arts.  If the product being produced has really
> good margins, there is little restraint on this kind of behavior.
> When profits are good, culture changes are unlikely.  If one is in
> the business of fixing this kind of situation, it is wise to wait for
> hard times.  One needs the luxury of “Dire Straits”
> I wish I could say that this is theory, but I was there, I watched it
>   happen.  There is more to be said, but I don’t trust myself not to
> start ranting so I will rest on the above afflictions. (reflections?)
> Gerald Pierce
> Q. E. D. Services
> Peter Jones wrote:
> > And the other is that I can't count.
> > Clearly I'm having a bad brain day.
> >
> > --
> > Peter
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Jones" <ppj@concept67.fsnet.co.uk>
> > To: <ba-unrev-talk@bootstrap.org>
> > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ba-unrev-talk] Re: Corporate Morality
> >
> >
> >
> >>I think it was the lab coat man that put me off track.;-)
> >>He's an authority figure, which isn't quite the same as the herd instinct
> >>pattern in my view.
> >>
>    (05)